Comments on: Should The Funding of Mauritian Religious and Sociocultural Groups Continue? http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:26:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: stella http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-1/#comment-22906 stella Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:08:29 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-22906 @Yashi, Personally i cannot believe that any public funds should be spent on religion, each religion must sink or swim under its own funds, the money saved could be used to fund an efficent education system and eradicate private tuition which is unethical and imoral stella @Yashi, Personally i cannot believe that any public funds should be spent on religion, each religion must sink or swim under its own funds, the money saved could be used to fund an efficent education system and eradicate private tuition which is unethical and imoral
stella

]]> By: Kurt Avish http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-2/#comment-7739 Kurt Avish Wed, 13 May 2009 12:27:15 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-7739 Exactly. Now if those religious group would have use the money for really useful for people it would have been different. But most "get zot poche plis". I am for the opinion that if they are dedicated they must find donation money to do their stuff. If it is a new group which does not get much donation, then still they must do what they can with what they have. Because many groups are formed ONLY for the sake of getting these money. Its like money is motivating them to keep the culture and not culture which is giving them money to protect it. Exactly. Now if those religious group would have use the money for really useful for people it would have been different. But most “get zot poche plis”.

I am for the opinion that if they are dedicated they must find donation money to do their stuff. If it is a new group which does not get much donation, then still they must do what they can with what they have. Because many groups are formed ONLY for the sake of getting these money. Its like money is motivating them to keep the culture and not culture which is giving them money to protect it.

]]> By: nilou http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-2/#comment-7730 nilou Wed, 13 May 2009 10:31:30 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-7730 NILOU hi good afternoon, Politician are not going to stop financing religious groups as they have a hidden agenda. politician always use religion to do politics. what do we see in grand bassin political leaders take big and religious groups whether it is muslims hindus christians always seek advantages with these politicians. these funding should be stopped as it is taxpayers money. it can be used more usefully like in hospitals, it can be used for public benefits or the poor. religious groups can collect money among there own people to run there day to day business. jai hind asalamalekum namaste good day to you all friends NILOU

hi good afternoon,

Politician are not going to stop financing religious groups as they have a hidden agenda. politician always use religion to do politics. what do we see in grand bassin political leaders take big and religious groups whether it is muslims hindus christians always seek advantages with these politicians. these funding should be stopped as it is taxpayers money. it can be used more usefully like in hospitals, it can be used for public benefits or the poor. religious groups can collect money among there own people to run there day to day business.

jai hind
asalamalekum
namaste
good day to you all friends

]]> By: kazak http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-2/#comment-7560 kazak Sat, 09 May 2009 16:28:05 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-7560 Well Yashi, you seem to have quietened evreybody on the issue. congrats. I am trying to separate religion and culture in Crisis Island,; I am not that bright and cannot find many that are actually separated. I'll recall as you mentioned, sega, fisherman,Lion dance,fire crackers on 31st Jan. Lundi cordonnier,favours, rode bout, gossip,magouille,bribe corruption, 1st may,vote block (including pied banane..) please try to help me name more.. As a matter of fact, I do not think that the Tourist as someone said would be interested in the majority of it. Remember that it has been the policy of all government to keep the tourist secluded. Just a few tours to some hot spots, then quickly dodo hotel. There isnt even a place where one can go and watch freely sega dancers perform daily unless one stay in a hotel complex. I also forgot that we are good as criticising (including I) and then no action. Real Mauritian Culture...! Well Yashi, you seem to have quietened evreybody on the issue. congrats.
I am trying to separate religion and culture in Crisis Island,; I am not that bright and cannot find many that are actually separated. I’ll recall as you mentioned, sega, fisherman,Lion dance,fire crackers on 31st Jan. Lundi cordonnier,favours, rode bout, gossip,magouille,bribe corruption, 1st may,vote block (including pied banane..) please try to help me name more..
As a matter of fact, I do not think that the Tourist as someone said would be interested in the majority of it. Remember that it has been the policy of all government to keep the tourist secluded. Just a few tours to some hot spots, then quickly dodo hotel.
There isnt even a place where one can go and watch freely sega dancers perform daily unless one stay in a hotel complex.
I also forgot that we are good as criticising (including I) and then no action. Real Mauritian Culture…!

]]> By: Graeme http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-1/#comment-7458 Graeme Fri, 08 May 2009 08:11:37 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-7458 It is true that the Government should fund such organisations. But as with everything there should be an oversight board that checks that the monies go toward actual religious activities. The government also uses such handouts to control these religious groups. But out of a total of Rs 44 billion in revenue, the government spends less than 0.0000000001 % on religious organizations. They spend more on their Government Transport (BMW's and Mercedes Benz) for the ministers etc. There should be complete transparency on the detailed budget, with oversight and accountability. It is true that the Government should fund such organisations. But as with everything there should be an oversight board that checks that the monies go toward actual religious activities. The government also uses such handouts to control these religious groups. But out of a total of Rs 44 billion in revenue, the government spends less than 0.0000000001 % on religious organizations. They spend more on their Government Transport (BMW’s and Mercedes Benz) for the ministers etc. There should be complete transparency on the detailed budget, with oversight and accountability.

]]> By: Yashi http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-2/#comment-7370 Yashi Wed, 06 May 2009 19:22:03 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-7370 "The economy will come to an end if people stop consuming and people stop working… it shouldn’t be because of the Govt also… Literacy rates will drop if all kids stopped to go to school… it shouldn’t be because of the govt also… My point is that… those packages are given to “stimulate” that sector." I don't think you understood what I meant, I meant the efforts and money put in by people are more important than any Govt funding, such that govt funding is not the only way to prevent cultures from dying or not growing. Govt funding, even though it does help the growth and survival of cultures also brings its share of problems in terms of religion mixing with politics. I normally like the state to be separate from any religion, no involvement by the Govt in religious activities. It is somewhat utopian and unrealistic, but atleast if the govt are going to stimulate these areas, they should do it better, hence why I think it should either be stopped altogether or managed more properly. Given the 'high' competence of our Govt, I would not consider one moment that the funds could be allocated and managed better. I also think cutting Govt funding could make people more involved in cultural occasions, because a lot of us take them for granted. But of course, there are 2 sides to every coin... And don't get me started on education funding :P that should be another topic, Kurt! <abbr><em>Yashi’s last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/yashi-g/~3/4Te1b8PvrZY/state-of-play-mini-movie-review.html" rel="nofollow">State of Play: Mini Movie Review</a></abbr></em> “The economy will come to an end if people stop consuming and people stop working… it shouldn’t be because of the Govt also…

Literacy rates will drop if all kids stopped to go to school… it shouldn’t be because of the govt also…

My point is that… those packages are given to “stimulate” that sector.”

I don’t think you understood what I meant, I meant the efforts and money put in by people are more important than any Govt funding, such that govt funding is not the only way to prevent cultures from dying or not growing. Govt funding, even though it does help the growth and survival of cultures also brings its share of problems in terms of religion mixing with politics.

I normally like the state to be separate from any religion, no involvement by the Govt in religious activities. It is somewhat utopian and unrealistic, but atleast if the govt are going to stimulate these areas, they should do it better, hence why I think it should either be stopped altogether or managed more properly. Given the ‘high’ competence of our Govt, I would not consider one moment that the funds could be allocated and managed better.

I also think cutting Govt funding could make people more involved in cultural occasions, because a lot of us take them for granted.

But of course, there are 2 sides to every coin…

And don’t get me started on education funding :P that should be another topic, Kurt!

Yashi’s last blog post..State of Play: Mini Movie Review

]]> By: selven http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-2/#comment-7367 selven Wed, 06 May 2009 18:40:09 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-7367 @yashi: because the government has the responsibility to keep cultural heritage alive. Yes it does happen (many a time) that religion happens to be mixed along. <blockquote>If cultures happen to die out, it shouldn’t be because the Govt removed funding for them, but because people entrenched in that culture did not put much effort themselves. </blockquote> The economy will come to an end if people stop consuming and people stop working... it shouldn't be because of the Govt also... Literacy rates will drop if all kids stopped to go to school... it shouldn't be because of the govt also... My point is that... those packages are given to "stimulate" that sector. Everything brings something... Keeping cultural heritage alive brings in tourists.. its a two way stuff... it is among the small details that makes the country beautiful. Without culture, a country would be like a body without soul. It can have a strong education, strong economy base and a strong millitary force.. but if there's no "cultural" roots... what makes that country different from another country??? There's no notion of identity... It just happens that we have mixed religion along with culture .. but many a times... it just can't be any other way.. it is like this.. because culture and religion can't be totally separated.. Yes, some cultural values exists without religious bounds, but there are also other cultural aspects that exists with religion only. The only possible method to enforce a fair system is to just... have a rule that says you can't not accept a member because of race/religion in your organisation. Yes atheist might feel bad because it is also their money which is going in that.. but then, many people who work don't like to that their tax money is being spent on free transport for students... you just have to live with it. Or create an atheist club society :D <abbr><em>selven’s last blog post..<a href="http://hackers.mu/wp/23/8-recommended-videos/" rel="nofollow">8 recommended videos</a></abbr></em> @yashi: because the government has the responsibility to keep cultural heritage alive.
Yes it does happen (many a time) that religion happens to be mixed along.

If cultures happen to die out, it shouldn’t be because the Govt removed funding for them, but because people entrenched in that culture did not put much effort themselves.

The economy will come to an end if people stop consuming and people stop working… it shouldn’t be because of the Govt also…

Literacy rates will drop if all kids stopped to go to school… it shouldn’t be because of the govt also…

My point is that… those packages are given to “stimulate” that sector.

Everything brings something…

Keeping cultural heritage alive brings in tourists.. its a two way stuff… it is among the small details that makes the country beautiful.

Without culture, a country would be like a body without soul. It can have a strong education, strong economy base and a strong millitary force.. but if there’s no “cultural” roots… what makes that country different from another country??? There’s no notion of identity…

It just happens that we have mixed religion along with culture .. but many a times… it just can’t be any other way.. it is like this.. because culture and religion can’t be totally separated.. Yes, some cultural values exists without religious bounds, but there are also other cultural aspects that exists with religion only.

The only possible method to enforce a fair system is to just… have a rule that says you can’t not accept a member because of race/religion in your organisation.

Yes atheist might feel bad because it is also their money which is going in that.. but then, many people who work don’t like to that their tax money is being spent on free transport for students… you just have to live with it. Or create an atheist club society :D

selven’s last blog post..8 recommended videos

]]> By: selven http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-2/#comment-7365 selven Wed, 06 May 2009 18:26:22 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-7365 actually yusha, here in lies the fraud... you are given the choice of which caterer will make the briani :) .. and most catering group will want the contract... and who will be given the contract? ofcourse the one who promise to "make a higher bill" but make sure to take only his share, and give the surplus to the person who gives him the contract.... <abbr><em>selven’s last blog post..<a href="http://hackers.mu/wp/23/8-recommended-videos/" rel="nofollow">8 recommended videos</a></abbr></em> actually yusha, here in lies the fraud… you are given the choice of which caterer will make the briani :) .. and most catering group will want the contract… and who will be given the contract? ofcourse the one who promise to “make a higher bill” but make sure to take only his share, and give the surplus to the person who gives him the contract….

selven’s last blog post..8 recommended videos

]]> By: selven http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-1/#comment-7364 selven Wed, 06 May 2009 18:24:34 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-7364 :) some organizations may easily get some sponsors while others not. As for the scotch.. its mostly a matter of transparency.. <abbr><em>selven’s last blog post..<a href="http://hackers.mu/wp/23/8-recommended-videos/" rel="nofollow">8 recommended videos</a></abbr></em> :) some organizations may easily get some sponsors while others not.

As for the scotch.. its mostly a matter of transparency..

selven’s last blog post..8 recommended videos

]]> By: Kurt Avish http://www.islandcrisis.net/2009/05/stop-funding-religious-sociocultural-groups-mauritius/comment-page-2/#comment-7363 Kurt Avish Wed, 06 May 2009 18:21:20 +0000 http://www.islandcrisis.net/?p=1893#comment-7363 I can confirm that too. :-) Go and check with the municipality.... All registered society get these amounts... Now 3000 is not a big sum...but when u consider how many societies there are...and how many are deads ones....who jst collect the money and do nothing! Yes there are many who do nothing.....you will not even know if the president or whoever got the money and did what....mostly the very unknown ones.... I can confirm that too. :-) Go and check with the municipality…. All registered society get these amounts… Now 3000 is not a big sum…but when u consider how many societies there are…and how many are deads ones….who jst collect the money and do nothing! Yes there are many who do nothing…..you will not even know if the president or whoever got the money and did what….mostly the very unknown ones….

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