Mayan Apocalypse Island Location Found by Jim Turner
Knowing where the Apocalypse Island the Mayan predicted is back to the buzz after the worldwide effect produced by the 2012 End of the World movie. It is said that there is a secret island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean that hold a very important clue about the Mayan prediction for 2012.
History channel recently mentioned about it and since then the topic is eluding people more and more. There is even one explorer who is claiming that he has found the answer to this amazing Apocalypse Island puzzle.
Jim Turner, the guy we mentioned above said that he stumble upon a remote artifact 10 years ago and has since then been preparing for an expedition to the Apocalypse Island. The Mayan predicted that as the world ends in 2012, the Gods will go on that Island to observe the end of the world as we know it today!
Juan Fernandez Islands - Apocalypse Island
The map above shows the guessed answer to the Mayan Apocalypse Island location. So could the Mayan Apocalypse island be the Juan Fernandez Islands which are 400 miles out to sea into the pacific ocean from Chile? But then who believe that the world will end in 2012?!
Edited by Kurt Avish on Jan 04, 2010 | 41,165 views
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The Mayan Apocalypse 2012 Island has been found? http://bit.ly/87iLnH
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Frankly, I dont believe the Mayan!
.-= ASL´s last blog ..Last Sunday, any plan? =-.
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Kurt Avish Reply:
January 4th, 2010 at 5:17 PM
I don’t too…but their culture is amazing and a legendary one.
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S. Sawyer Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 11:31 PM
@ASL, I’v got google earth and i used it to my extent and the Island is inhabitied with a population of 650 and an airport on the western side of the island the reason they told everyone it was uninhabited was that they didnt want people to try and see it for themselves because anything they might find will ruin his own chance of finding a great discovery but im packed up and ready to go got my flight to chili and then there ill get a private flight to robinson cursoe island
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gregory judie Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 3:42 AM
@S. Sawyer, Like you I to would like to visit the island. I also beleve that other questions can be answerd concerning human history. But I wont go in to that now. e-mail me and we can talk or call me at (253) 232-3435.
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Gopakumara Reply:
March 9th, 2010 at 12:00 PM
hi… do you want go to the island…?? me too… but before i want talk whit Mr Turner… but i don`t know how contact to hem… do you?? (sorry about my english) and yes… we can learn so much about the humanity… but the time is almost over… we must run if we want go…
Virginia Reply:
March 9th, 2010 at 6:15 PM
@gregory judie,
soy chilena, y desde siempre se ha sabido que en el archipielago Juan Fernandez existe un gran tesoro escondido, ¿quien te dice que no sea maya?
saludos desde Chile.
Chad Reply:
April 6th, 2010 at 10:09 AM
@S. Sawyer, Did you go??
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alejandro riveros Reply:
April 21st, 2010 at 7:12 PM
@S. Sawyer,
mi friend, i live in chile (santiago) so if you want a visit the (one) if this island, just write an email. I investigate this matters for many years, but was a sorpraise for me about this important and mystical construction near to CHILE. I think its not necesary contact to mr Turner for travel, because exist a lot of information in the web and additional the documenntary of history channel.
Its very important considerate the “Atlantes” in this history, because they travel aprox. 5000 before crist (in the last cataclysm) from the Atlantida in two directions. One of them of to the mexican golf in alocated in the centroamerican land y the second travel to amazonas Brasil, acroos the Andes Mountain, Easter Island and finally near to Fiji island. The arqueolgist eviden its a lot in every sites.
best regards Alejandro
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MARK Reply:
May 3rd, 2010 at 2:52 AM
@alejandro riveros, LEARN FLEUENT ENGLISH MY FRIEND OR DON’T COMMENT IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE!
PEDRO Reply:
May 10th, 2010 at 6:53 AM
Mark, there you go again. Like all ignorant whities, thinking the only way to feel superior is to put others down, Mark, have you maybe thought that Alejandro does not live in the USA, but is educated enough to respect English, and actually taken time to learn FLUENT written English. That is more than I can say about you. If you thought the world hates you because you are american, then you are destined to miss the picture. Its your arrogance thats bringing your country down, you arrogant racist pig.
mac_n_chez_gonewild Reply:
May 13th, 2010 at 10:44 PM
@alejandro riveros,
Mark, I can’t believe how you would criticize other people when you can’t even spell right! Having English as my fourth language, I would personally say that Alejandro’s English is good considering the fact that English isn’t his native tongue. It’s the meaning of the whole thing that matters, not your sick grammar! Anyways, I wanna get to that island too but it looks creepy to me!
sally Reply:
April 28th, 2010 at 6:04 AM
@S. Sawyer,
Hey why don’t 16 (sixteen) of you curiousity seekers travel to Isla Juan Fernandez and make it a perfect 666 inhabitants just for the hell of it
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ce Reply:
May 5th, 2010 at 2:50 AM
@S. Sawyer, Of course it is poblated!!! Who do you think was the camara man?!!! He always was THERE before the expeditians!!!
I’m sorry, its a terrible joke… I shouldn’t, but can’t resist myself!!!
Thanks for your info anyway, I’ll check it out!
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tom Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 1:12 AM
@ASL, history channel,you s*ck.that was just a rock formation,not a monument made by the mayans
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Evil Sluggo Reply:
March 9th, 2010 at 7:01 PM
@tom,
Actually, if you google ‘venus’ ‘transit’ and ‘NASA’, you can find out a lot about the transit of the Sun by Venus, in 2010 — including the fact that it won’t even be visible from the stupid island with its ‘Mayan’ monument.
What a crackpot theory.
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LMAO Reply:
April 11th, 2010 at 12:59 AM
@Evil Sluggo, dude…not sure what “Google” you’re using but my Google states:
“The first of a pair of transits of Venus in the beginning of the 21st century took place on 8 June 2004 (see Transit of Venus, 2004) and the next will be on 6 June 2012 (see Transit of Venus, 2012). After 2012, the next transits of Venus will be in December 2117 and December 2125″
i.e. what transit in 2010 are you talking about? You are on earth right?
…and….
“The 2012 transit will be best viewed from the PACIFIC OCEAN. North America will be able to see the start of the transit, while South Asia, the Middle East, and most of Europe will catch the end of it. The transit will not be visible in most of South America or western Africa. The regions from which the transit is visible are shown in the map to the right.”
…and how exactly do you determine the intelligence of an island…maybe you’re just projecting personal traits in your colorful description of the island…
Donjuego Reply:
May 16th, 2010 at 11:33 PM
@Evil Sluggo, I googled “transit” “venus” “2012″ and got a NASA site that corroborated the History Channel story perfectly.
This show was a 2-hour complete waste of time, whether you believe the interpretation of what little we know about the Mayans or not. Utter balderdash. Jim Turner is a New Age crackpot who is willing himself to see things that are simply not there. The “Mayan monument” he travels to the island (on a puny Chilean tuna boat) to show to his “professional adventurer” companion is, too put it bluntly, a rock. He thinks it is a carved monument of a panther and a bust of a king? After about an hour and a half of sitting through over-produced hi-def CG nonsense and you get to see a crumbling cliff which is about as far removed from a carved edifice such as Mount Rushmore as you could possibly get. History Channel really achieved a new low in crapola with this one. WTF.
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don Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 7:01 AM
Dude, you got that right. What a joke! It was a friggin’ rock. Plus, there’s a city of over 600 people on those islands, and you can totally get there more than 2 months out of the year. I can’t believe history channel, they usually favor legitimate material.
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Virginia Reply:
March 9th, 2010 at 6:20 PM
@don, that’s correct, I’m chilean and you can go there anytime. But has present that it isn’t only one island, it is an archipielag and only one island “Robison Cruseau” is habitat.
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Jack Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 5:13 AM
@furious george,
I could not agree with you more. It was like looking at a cloud and seeing a motorcycle with a flat tire and a speedometer that says it was going 120 mph. Oh yeah it was belt drive not chain. I could of looked at it for a week and I do not think I would ever of come up with the jaguar and face that they came up with. I lost all faith in HC. Question – Where was the camera guy the whole time?
I went on Google earth and found the place Isla Selkirk (west of Carusoe Island), Tres Torres. Again I think they must have been on the boat smoking something.
Jack
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yo momma Reply:
July 18th, 2010 at 6:38 PM
@Jack,I THINK YALL NEED TO FIND A BETTER HOBBIE THAN THIS… IF THE WORLD ENDS IN 2012 SO B IT WE R NOT MEANT TO KNOW JUST YET SO KICK IT AND LIVE!!!!! LIFE!!!! N TRUST IN GOD WHATEVER HAPPENS WE BROUGHT IT UPON OURSELVES WE TAKE ALOT FOR GRANTED AND DONT TAKE A MIN. TO THANK HIM FOR ANOTHER DAY TO C THE SUNRISE N B CLOSE TO LOVE ONES….
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Mayan Apocalypse Island Location Found by Jim Turner http://bit.ly/7R1Axp
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I know what you mean, Furious George. I sat through this program last night. I was wondering how they managed to get all those simultaneous camera angles if they were stuck, alone, on this isolated island after this sinking-tub of a tuna boat dropped them off.
Then, I wondered why they were bothering to climb this alleged Mayan Statue, and if it was so arduous, how did the camera man get up there?
I was bothered by the scenes where these two guys were eating and drinking wine. If this were a serious production, they would have treated it in a more academic manner.
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jeff glazier Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 3:05 AM
@Chi Chi LaRoo, i too understand your questions as to just how that show was put together.. if you ask me, things were put in the show in the exact oppisite of how they happened, (as with the mayan king pointing the way south and waving on others for the lost answers). that to me seems to be added material a well as the magnitude of imagination that has to used to even pretend that the statue is, in fact, a statue. i have been looking online all over the place trying to find any other pictures that show any similarities to some sort of mayan king. in fact, i believe that even though a person might be able to see the events take place in 2012 as they say from that island, there in fact will be many places around the globe where one may also witness these things. he just had to come up with something, i.e. the mayan king statue, to make it seem like a mind blower. i will end with the fact that i would bet that if anyone looked hard enough on those shear wall cliffs, you could make out the face of christ or even donald trump.. =)
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Brendan Reply:
January 14th, 2010 at 4:12 AM
@jeff glazier,
Sorry, but I know that Turner wouldn’t spend ten years of his life or money to have evidence’s radioactivity carbon dated and do precise lunar calculations with the mathematics to back it up, and not have them precise before going back. He was going here to get more evidence to get funding for a future full-scale project. Every great discovery in history took a lot of leg work to get started. As far as Mayan gods returning in 2012, i don’t know. What i do know is that that island IS the only place you can see the three lunar events on the holy days in the western hemisphere in 2012, and that footprints and carbon dated evidence is extremely hard to simply dismiss. Why would a king go so far without reason that hailed of a duty less than that of holy or supernatural origins? Mayan gods returning is no crazier than God, Allah, reincarnation, or the phenomena of evolution itself. They were clearly a gifted and bright people, and smarter than almost anyone typing into their computer on this page.
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doug Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 1:58 AM
@Brendan, I’m not convinced that jim turner knows his stuff.
If you check the locations for viewing the eclipse he talks about , its no where near that island
Jimmy Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 8:32 AM
@Brendan: “They were clearly a gifted and bright people, and smarter than almost anyone typing into their computer on this page.”
We’re a pretty gifted and bright people, too, After all, modern people do more than just type into computers, they kind of invented them? We actually put men on the moon and split the atom and sent exploratory submarines to the bottom of the ocean. Yeah, it’s too bad i wasn’t born a Mayan a thousand years ago in Central America so I could be a genius and understand profund spiritual things instead of just relying on science and logic and reason and dumb modern bullcrap like that.
Glenn Reply:
April 13th, 2010 at 6:46 AM
@jeff glazier,
I agree that the show was horrible. But the part about seeing it from so many places in the world. This spot was chosen by the Mayans. As advanced as they were for their time, they were basically a one hemisphere civilization, and even that was limited. So it was probably the best place to view it from their world.
The show was a bit of a crock though.
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Gopakumara Reply:
March 9th, 2010 at 12:04 PM
@Chi Chi LaRoo,
ohhhh come on… that was a tv show… but that was a trasendental information, i mean, just interesting…. were are that adventure spirit you people??
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Roy Johnston Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 7:38 AM
@Chi Chi LaRoo, I totally agree. Not only was there a cameraman there, he was there first and he was even higher on the rock face than the climbers. How about the sound man, the production assistants and gaffers mentioned in the credits? There had to be a whole production crew on this uninhabited (600 people don’t count) ISLAND. THC must really desperate to fill time.
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LMAO Reply:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:16 AM
@Chi Chi LaRoo, ….yeah…that is exactly what was going through my mind…especially when they were coming in on the row boat and suddenly this amazing shot popped up from overhead, like from a cliff top, it happened when the mountaineer guy is commenting how his backpack got snagged on the boat…
…but then I reasoned that there exists the possibility that they first made the trip with hand held cameras to have something to show producers in order to get funding and a crew for a “re-enactment” documentry…not sure…but that would make sense…
…as for the island being populated with 600 people and having an airport and all…well, if that is true why wouldn’t they have just flew in and taken a boat from there…or a helicopter if one existed on the island…
….maybe there is something to the theory of attempting to guard the potential of a major archeological find…but in this day and age with the Internet and all that is pretty frivolous…kinda weird…
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who is Jim Turner; any relation to Ted Turner?
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furious and chi….agree 100%. The history channel is a bunch of bunk with some good stuff every now and then. This was really bad. I watched and once I saw the so called monument….wow. I couldn’t tell where this guy had come up with the idea of seeing a jaguar and venus on that eroding pile of rock. He must have had some good hallucinogenics to see that thing. I have done a good bit of rock climbing in my day and if I had half the imagination of that guy I would have discovered more Mayan sculptures than we would know what to do with by now.
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This was the was most ridiculous premise for a history channel show I’ve ever seen. I think in their haste to come up with anything relating to 2012, the production managers bought into a load of crap presented by Mr. Turner. I kept watching and thinking there must be a payoff soon. Finally, as they were climbing the ” Mayan Statue”, I thought to myself ” this Turner guy has sold he history channel a really bad archaeological theory that has no basis in any fact relating to Mayans. Come on guys, I’m a really big fan ,but this crap was worse than ” Monster Quest ” as far as all build up and no story.
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The History Channel is promoting alot of episodes regarding the 12/21/12 winter solstice and ancient civilizations. To hypothesize gloom and doom is quite frivolous. There is no doubt that a major solar system and galactic alignment will occur on that date. Since it is a unique celestial event, and because it was predicted by the Mayans, they chose it to be the end of their calendar. There is no evidence that they would not have extended their calendar if they had not perished or disappeared as some speculate. Furthermore, if there were ancient astronauts that shared intelligence with primitive tribes or civilizations, this unique celestial event would also be a good choice for them to return. If we were to speculate upon that, would not our speculation be one of great anticipation for mankind to meet a superior intellegence? Would this change the world? Most certainly! Can’t we start speculating on the unbelievable rammifications instead of thinking the higher powers in the universe are destructive and perverse? Given the nature of liberal political immorality, does liberal futuristic thought have to be so morbid and anti-God? Does our future as a species involve mass annihilation or exaltation?
PS – I agree, Jim Turner was hallucinating!
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DR. JOHN SIMMONS Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 11:51 AM
@Proverb,
Agree with all your points.
Mayan pyramid stones, Jerusalem‘s Mount Mariah temple support stones and Bolivian Tiahuanaco temple stones… all have something in common… not hewn by man’s technology. With this said, it’s all supported by deep biblical research.
So, the Mayan pyramids do have something to do with the Bible and aren’t anti-God in a sense. They represent Nephilim effort and early civilization involvement. Nephilim were originally terrestrial in origin (Genesis Chapter 6).
Read Revelation 13:13 and 2 Thessalonians 2:9. Both are a good read.
I agree with you Proverb… the Mayans just died-out. And I don’t buy the ancient astronaut theory… Nephilim and their fathers yes. Write back if your interested in more information.
John
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furious george Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 6:01 PM
It’s all just cheap media tie-ins with the redonkulous 2012 movie. Some genius in marketing probably thought this movie was going to be the “next big thing”. The thing is, I don’t even see it as history, except perhaps as a footnote. It’s a new age interpretation of the facts. All the programming the have about this and Nostradamus is just about as relevant to current events and our everyday lives as, say, all the programming they create about fricking Roswell and Area 51. I don’t mind a program our two about these things and I don’t fault people who are into these subjects, even if I personally don’t subscribe to the theories, because they ARE good stories… but they’ve been positively bludgeoned to death by X-Files and the fake History Channel. Instead of foisting this swill off on the sweaty, ignorant masses couldn’t we aspire to enlighten them? There’s so much interesting history out there!
If anybody out there is into it, here’s a link to a discussion on History Channel’s message forum.
http://boards.history.com/topic/History-Of-Christianity/Apocalypse-Island-On/520087011
Why it’s under “History of Christianity” (aside from the fact that we don’t KNOW much about pre-Columbian times BECAUSE of the Church, i dunno…)
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Frank Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 8:11 PM
@DR. JOHN SIMMONS,
Cute, but how about we keep the silly Mormon crap out of a legitimate discussion. The only thing more ridculous than this TV show is John Smith talking out of his hat.
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DR. JOHN SIMMONS Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 8:47 PM
I’m not Mormon. I don’t see the connection.
And which Morman are you talking about? There’s two books of Morman. The Book od Mormon of the Latter Day Saints and the Book of Mormon in the Satanic Bible.
Could you be more specific.
GonzoWolf Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 9:47 PM
@Frank, I think u may have the Nephilim, from Old Testament, and the Nephi, from Book of Mormon mixed up. Yes, J.Smith created a plegarized monstrosity for fun&profit. But the ‘Nephilim’ r in Genesis 6. Some bibles call them ‘giants’….and apparently Book of Enoch, which goes into more depth about this period, is the punchline that was removed (along with a few others) when the bible was cannonized. The Mesopotamian ‘Annunuki’ r worth checking out as well…
GonzoWolf Reply:
May 14th, 2010 at 11:42 PM
@DR. JOHN SIMMONS, I think u may have the Nephilim, from Old Testament, and the Nephi, from Book of Mormon mixed up. Yes, J.Smith created a plegarized monstrosity for fun&profit. But the ‘Nephilim’ r in Genesis 6. Some bibles call them ‘giants’….and apparently Book of Enoch, which goes into more depth about this period, is the punchline that was removed (along with a few others) when the bible was cannonized. The Mesopotamian ‘Annunuki’ r worth checking out as well…
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DR. JOHN SIMMONS Reply:
May 15th, 2010 at 9:13 PM
@GonzoWolf,
I’m not Mormon and don’t use the book as any historical reference. So, any reference to the Book of Mormon is not from me.
Kenneth Reply:
June 29th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
@DR. JOHN SIMMONS,
I found your post intriguing, and would like more information as to your viewpoint of topics touched upon in this post. Any information that you have found, over time, to be interestingly connected please send. Thank you
Kenneth
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DR. JOHN SIMMONS Reply:
June 29th, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Hi Kenneth,
My son has done a great deal of research concerning the Nephilim and the giants spoken about in the Bible. As many as 30 references in the Bible speak of giants. Genesis 6 inferred that the Nephilim survived the early purges. Fossil evidence supports the existence of giants as well (non pituitary).
There’s an old rule called the 20/21 rule. Meaning that prior to the agricultural revolution it took 20 people working in the fields to feed 21. The Nephilim were so ravenous and ate so much that they ate other’s food supply and even depended on cannibalism to sustain themselves. Eventually, they were either killed or driven away (to where is the question).
It’s interesting that there are similar cross-species DNA mixes on this planet that have produced giants such as the Liger as an example.
My guess is that angle and human DNA was/is compatible in an analogous sense.
It’s my supposition that we’ll see some huge changes in the next three years Kenneth that will dwarf any world news we see today. In a sense the news today will seem unimportant in comparison. Let me explain.
I’ve a pretty no-nonsense background… retired naval officer, former pilot, paratrooper, businessman and teacher/professor. But I’ve always understood that truth is independent of what I want to accept as true, prefer, or want to be so. Yet, the truth will have a profound effect on my future as well as my family.
The Hopi, Aztecs, Mayans, and Jewish Zohar have an interesting summit where they all meet… 2012. But what does this mean? Let us ask a few questions first.
1) Is Jesus the Son of God?
2) Is the devil a real being?
3) Is there an argument for evolution or creationism?
4) Do UFOs, as we understand the term, really exist?
5) Is there life after death?
6) Will the presence of aliens be publicly disclosed by the government soon?
7) Is there a God?
9) Is the Bible a legitimate historical text for research?
10) Are there sources outside the Bible worthy of contextual religious study ?
The short answer to most of these is yes. At least this is what my 40 plus years of research have revealed to me. And most of these questions have a yes or no answer. No middle answer. Remembering that truth is independent of what we want to believe or hope for. Keep in mind I’m not a man that attends church. I’m simple a student.
What we’ll most likely see Kenneth within three years is so-call flying saucer on the White House lawn and in other key capitals of the world. These beings will sell themselves as aliens but in realty are not much more than various abominations of the creation code. Don’t be duped by them. 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 spells this out with a clear meaning. Interestingly, former astronauts and military officers publicly speak of the UFO phenomena and what they’ve (as well as me) personally have seen.
The United States will in one day become just another country. We’ll see a world leader emerge (world representative) and a new era. The world will be better for awhile. But when the Temple rebuilding begins in Jerusalem the world will yet begin a time that will make present day news unimportant.
Within three years…
Take care Kenneth.
Dr. Simmons
I sat thru 1.5 hours, just to see what an island monument looked like. Needless to say, a outcropping of rock was not what I expected. And how did they have so many camera angles if this journey was so difficult and the terrain so unforgiving? Terrible, terrible show.
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A Mayan god followed by a prowling Jaguar? Pleeeze! Anyone could plainly see it was statue of a clown holding a baby
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Kerry Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 1:30 AM
@Billy Bob,
“A Mayan god followed by a prowling Jaguar? Pleeeze! Anyone could plainly see it was statue of a clown holding a baby”
lol just too funny love it. I thought it was a turtle from the Neverending Story.
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Topgun Reply:
May 13th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
@Kerry, I just happened to have taken a drink of water when I read your post, and it was all I could do to keep from spraying my monitor through my nose. Luckily I got it swallowed. I was starting to get into the show when I had to come in here and look up this island and the first thing I see on Google maps is a friggin runway. I’m not even going to finish watching it. The clown holding a baby made it all worth it though, thanks.
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I have taken craps that looks more Mayan than that pillar. Things must be getting pretty tough over at the History Channel to devote a 2hr time slot for some guys fantasy, it really make you wonder how many other shows on the History Channel are just dramatizations. I especially enjoyed the attempt to make it look like the two guys “explorers” on this show were visiting some deserted island out in the middle of nowhere, when in fact the Island (Robinson Crusoe Island)is a popular tourist destination, has about 700 permanent residence and an Airport.
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I saw the show last night and I must say that it’s a load of BUNK! I found a picture of an outcropping (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5238956) that LOOKS just like the one featured in the show. Is it the same one? I have no idea but if it ISN’T then these structures are NORMAL for volcanic islands. I just looked it up on Google Earth (Alejandro Selkirk Island) and found the pic. Look it up yourself and reply here.
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Mike Nassau Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 8:28 AM
@ChanceIMRU2,
Thank you so much for the image. Alejandro Selkirk is
uninhabited, unlike Robinson Crusoe.
But if the island were inhabited in pre-Columbian times,
surely it would be Polynesians from Rapa Nui, not
Mayans.
I do, however, recognize the sculptures. The upright
one is Porky Porcupine and the long one behind him
is Albert Alligator, characters in the great Pogo comic
strip by Walt Kelly. See
http://blog.timesunion.com/comics/files/2008/10/pogo.gif
.-= Mike Nassau´s last blog ..Comic opera =-.
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 7:24 PM
@Mike Nassau, “Alejandro Selkirk is
uninhabited” O Rly?: http://tinyurl.com/23ufxz8
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Kurt Avish Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 7:43 PM
Maybe they’ll say the Mayan build these too now lol
Mike Nassau Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 9:11 PM
@Itzamna, Yes, it is uninhabited. That is a photo of the abandoned penal colony, in use from 1909 to 1930. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Selkirk_Island The boat slip for the colony is still usable, these guys could have stepped off the boat onto dry pier instead of the melodramatic beach landing. Just as they could have taken a boat from Robinson Crusoe Island, 112 miles away, instead of wasting all that time coming from Valparaiso. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_Crusoe_Island Robinson Crusoe has an airport. I guess that penal colony is so well preserved because there are no people there to vandalize it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Selkirk_Island
This show really ticked me off. How this guy saw that structure in that rock column is a mistery to me. Even the guy he took with him was disappointed and he pointed out some good things. Where was the evidence of the hundred or so people that built the monument? Where did the live while it was being built? They had to live somewhere because it would have taken them a long time to carve that out! I feel like Jeraldo Rivera and Al Capones safe all over again!
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Jack Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 5:20 AM
@John,
Uninhabited? Who made the trails that they were walking on. One was clearly a dirt path. If you are going to make up lies, then at least try a little to hide them.
I can understand trying to get a larger dig funded. Mayans may have been there. But to say that there is a head and a jaguar (a crouching one at that) goes a bit to far.
Jack
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who the hell is Jim Turner, so called “Archaeologist” i cant find any info on him, and if he was a real archaeologist he would have record of publications.
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Kurt Avish Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 7:25 AM
Hehe. Nice find dude. Even I was looking for past info on him for writing this article..and found none. He is a you said a “so called” archaeologist. lol.
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Needajob Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 8:31 PM
http://www.stratacrm.com/
here is his company’s website
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if any of you had a damn clue about mayan culture then you might understand the first thing about the show… erosion and the course of over 1000 years have taken a toll on the monument duh. im not getting any deeper in this im typing from my cell phone and it takes too long. also its a jaguar and the mayan sun god on the statue how many of you sweaty fat losers does it take to get that right… i guess more than 9 , anyway im out peace
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 7:38 PM
@too_damn_pretty, I’m loaded with clues about the Maya, that they never visited that island, and the “monument” is a natural formation with zero evidence of human tooling. You are complete idiot.
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A total waste of my time. I am very disappointed at the History Channel for the 2-hour hog wash that I saw last night.
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I think the Mayan’s are from Venus. I can’t wait until the History Channel runs “Jersey Devil” on Monster Quest again!
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…I got a rock!
I want my time back.
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I watched it and was entertained slightly up until the revealing of the ” monument”. It was like cloud watching and trying to make out an image. It was a let down to see, that after building temples that withstood the test of time, something as important as this was in such poor shape. And his speculation that the Mayans deliberately made it like that to elude us is preposterous to even mention as theory. I am interested in knowing more on “how” J.T. came to his conclusion on that location. Did he have accurate astrological facts that those events will be only visible from the monument? Does anybody really know?
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I am an ameteur Maya enthusiast (for lack of a better way to put it) and shows like this one are maddening for their many inaccuracies. This guy, Jim Turner, has no credentials (which wouldn’t automatically mean he doesn’t know anything) and after watching this, no credibility. I could see that it was going to end like the live opening of “Al Capone’s Vault” 20 years ago. What a dud.
I have visited several Mayan sites, participated in a dig, and have read numerous books on the Maya. There is a great deal of misinformation out there on the Maya’s calender, their ability to plot star movements, their predictions of the future, etc. This History Channel is doing a poor job of informing viewers. I would urge anyone who has an interest in this subject to read The End of Time – The Maya Mystery of 2012 by Anthony Aveni. He is an academic who takes a reasonable, thoughtful look at most all the various 2012 theories out there in the context of what is actually known about the Maya. Draw your own conclusions from there about 2012 (don’t bet the farm that aliens will arrive or spend all your money in anticipation of the end of the world).
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The island is Isla Robinson Crusoe.
33°39′19.53″S
78°48′24.28″W
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DR. JOHN SIMMONS Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
@Nathan Andrew,
You nailed it Nathan. It’s Selkirk (Crusoe) island.
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Virginia Reply:
March 9th, 2010 at 6:43 PM
@DR. JOHN SIMMONS, it is an archipielag and Robinson Cruseau is habitated, the others no; I know cause I’m chilean and there is a mith in the island about a great treasure who knows? maybe a mayan tumb
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I too was pulled in by their cg crap and for what? Thats 2 hours of my life that i will never get back. Usually the History channel is more watchable ,well except for that monster quest garbage. What was Jim turner and his mountain climbing “professional” doing in their tents while the wind blew? This professional has a doctorate in Archeology yet he had enough anchors on his belt to climb Everest .Was he really going to drive them into an ancient statue just to get a better look with the camera man that had already beat him to the top?
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I knew i wasnt the only one with these thoughts…i dont belive the world will end in 2012, but like most i find the mayan culture fascinating. i too saw only what appeared to be the top of a mountain….this guy was seeing what his mind wanted to see. why do they conclude that the end is in 2012 if there have only been 4 mayan books ever found?..
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I was disappointed with this show on many levels! The monument that was referred to has characteristics of possibly being man-made (I am open minded) but did not show any distinguishing marks that would definitively prove it to be man-made. The computer generated image of the monument had me going at first but, if my memory serves me correctly, they never disclosed that it was computer generated. Even if it is a true monument, excavations take many years! I don’t think they would be able to uncover enough of the monument in time for the end of the Mayan calendar. Excavate Mirador in Guatemala and you may find some lost Mayan texts!!
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You all make good points: the focus on the “dangerous climb” that was filmed from above, the lack of recognizable human influence on the outcrop, er, monument, and the total hype of the narration. The astrological information is interesting from the show. But I was unable to suspend my disbelief mostly because:
Any responsible archaeologist would NOT put crampons into and climb even a potential archaeological find. Hello–film it from an airplane?
The focus of the show was on the narration of the journey–the “difficulty” of the trip, the “harrowing” landing, the “death-defying” nature of the climb. There was a lot of that to wade through to get to some marginally interesting stuff. And I felt really stupid for having watched it to get a glimpse of the monument that would show ANY believable shot of a detail that would support credibility.
To have any credibility, they would need to show the “what it probably looked like” version of the “monument” superimposed over the existing version. Or find one tool mark. Just one.
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Garbage! With a few facts thown in. Mr Turner claimed that the Venus eclipse was a rare phenomenon. Check it out. It happens about twice in every 100 years. Rare, I don’t think so. Also, won’t you see this around the world, not just on this island. I never saw a camara move away from the “rock” as fast as they did. Do they not have hellicopters in Chili? Would have been faster and wouldn’t have to hike so far. Again, just a waste of time.
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I thought this was just so awesome. I want to see it again! I think is is very tellingabout Mayan calender and life in general.
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I felt cheated too – I want my 2 hours back.
I was looking at the island in Google Earth while the program was on. There are a number of interesting things on the island. Including an airstrip, a village (with some admittedly primitive sounding hotels), a ferry that can take you from the airstrip to the village, and other things. Evidently they get a few hundred tourists every year – most of them scuba dive, but some of them just explore (this is the island where Alexander Selkirk was stranded for 4 years – later the novel Robinson Crusoe was written about his experience).
So why subject yourself to a 3 day boat trip when you can fly there in 3 hours? They waste all of this time showing the drama of getting there, and made it seem like they were going to the moon. The program was incredibly padded – lots of repetition and junk. And at the end all we saw was a pile of rocks.
Jeff Salz has his own blog:
http://jeffsalz.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/156/#comments
he wouldn’t publish my comment however. He did admit that there was the airstrip there, but he said the village was on the wrong side of the island. Well, you could hire a fishing boat in the village and in an hour or two sail around to the other side.
If you want to explore there yourself with Google Earth, the coordinates are -33.638, -78.830
Jim Turner has his own website, and most people there are calling BS on him..
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Kurt Avish Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 7:29 AM
Thanks for sharing this.
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DR. JOHN SIMMONS Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
@Eric,
I’m pretty sure the boat trip wasn’t three days. Having spent a great deal of time at sea the little boat didn’t seem too seaworthy. The two probably rented it on the other side of the island. The village there has about 600 people.
I recognized the island to be Selkirk right-off. It’s administratively part of the Easter Island group. So, the monolith was probably from the same people that made the monoliths there.
Good call Eric.
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Dave Reply:
May 2nd, 2010 at 11:34 PM
As they were climbing there was an obvious trail ahead of them marked by a series of white posts. The white posts were obvisouly man-made and formed a switch-back heading up the hill.
Previously they had said there were no trails.
History Channel really jumped the shark on this one.
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well I feel better knowing that falling asleep right when they reached the island was no loss…sorry to hear how it ended…the longer the show went on, the more I thought it was going to be bogus – can someone please tell me what the guy thought who went along with him – he seemed real skeptical the whole time..
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I watched it on dvr so I didn’t invest the full 2 hours. Some of his ideas I feel are okay, but the show was silly, Who plans a trip like that and then scrambles to find transportation and provisions at the last second. Why couldn’t History Channel pay for the expedition and provide a helicopter or sea-plane? And yes the camera angles did seem pretty contrived.
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This show had beautiful graphics and lovely info on the next eclipse, but Jim Turner looked like he himself didn’t believe the hype that this outrage promoted; what a dork ! His explorer/ rock climber buddy certainly didn’t . The History Channel really proved that they are WAY into the hype and will go to any length to get their ratings. What a rip off. Why not just call it ” the mysterious spire of the Juan Fernandez Isl. , Or Robinson Crusoe Island.” This show insults the intelligence of folks who truly see something going on in the concept of matching the Mayan Calendar with current events. Is this a testament to how hard up shows like this are for new material ? Their is a natural preserve in these islands, Turner will very likely NEVER get to dig around to find his delusional burial of some Mayan lord. The Islands are picturesque precisely because they are unsettled, wild, remote and cold although there is an airport and a town with a harbor. This show only proves that the History Channel is desperate and easy to fool. You gotta be 10 years old to believe any of it. Shame on the History Channel for pushing such trash. Please put your great talents into more realistic programming or rename your channel. Curious George nailed it…
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The Apocalypse Island special was interesting but is probably a sham. I believe the island to be Alejandro Selkirk Island… part of the Juan Fernandez Island group 33 degrees 46 minutes South latitude / 80 degrees 47 minutes West longitude.
The island is part of the Easter Island Archipelago administrative group. So the artifact is interesting but probably not Mayan. Probably hewed by the same people that fashioned the monoliths on Easter Island. If you look closely at the monoliths on Easter island and the artifact on the so-called Apocalypse Island you’ll see what I mean.
The seal population and the sheer cliffs were a dead give-away. A 2002 census put the population of the 17 square-mile island at a little over 600. The island once was home to a penal colony. It was probably the basis for the book Robinson Crusoe. Selkirk Island has few beaches, sheer cliffs, grassy slopes and peaks over 3000 ft. I could be wrong but I recognized it right-off.
Good try guys.
Dr. Simmons
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Robert Berringer Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 6:59 PM
@DR. JOHN SIMMONS, You seem well informed. Did you know that there are three rare microplates on the Nazca tectonic plate and one of these is called Juan Fernandez? Wasn’t the biggest recorded earthquake near a microplate? See “A Blueprint for a New Age” on my website cloudriderbooks.net. Robert Berringer
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This was an interesting show. What you have here is an epic story of a g*y pirate and his sidekick companion on a great adventure to show the world an ancient artifact of the coming apocalypse. They begin their quest at a hotel from the other side of the tourist island and take a ferry boat from the harbor. After taking a row boat to the menacing small beach, the two companions decide to make their way up the mountain. For their 3 day journey you wonder what the heck is in those monstrous backpacks that they can barely carry. Despite thinking that they look like buffoons, I overlook it with hopes of them showing an ancient culture. After watching a cut scene of a Mayan actor stabbing his pen*s and exhaling oooh, you have to wonder what the heck am I watching. I didn’t see a Mayan rock sculpture or a jaguar. All I saw was to g*y dudes climbing a giant rock shaped like a penis. At the end of the show you see them on a giant Penalith embracing each other watching an eclipse. So Gay. They should have named this show Raiders of the Lost Pen*s.
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After reading some the comments from the people of earth. I’ve been sitting here wondering how can I make sense of any of the info I’ve been researching on the whole 2012 topic. To me I have figured out that the message I think the mayans were trying to portray is that time is an illusional state of mind and our eyes will decieve us. They used pictures and monuments to leave a mark in human history knowing that the human body does not last forever but the earths creations do. They made sense of the universe above them probably because some curious shaman mind needed answers to what his two eyes were seeing. Most modern humans can relate, since most are in denial about death and think that they will live forever and nothing bad will ever happen. I think of our modern race going backward in time, we have forgotten how to survive off the land we were raised and born upon. We have forgotten the universe above us is important and needs to be understood. We must get back to our roots and figure out what us humans are really here for… A good question to ask yourself is why did the Mayan civilizations dissapear over time? Were they chosen by a more intelligent specie because they unstood the universe? Or perhaps they were just a big huge religous ancient cult that murdered themselves off every four hundred years ( bak’ tuns)? Well I’m just as in a deeper whole as all of you wondering or maybe hoping that something or someone will happen in 2012. But I can certainly tell you this, no matter if you die in an apocalypse or in a car accident . Your body will certainly die one day and it is the real mystery of where a kenetic energy that make us concious will take us next. Maybe the Maya new how too tap in to that kenetic energy and found different realms of after lifes, they were civilizations for a thousand years or so. Compared to our measly couple hundred years, I’d say that that they probably did know something, someone, or all of the above would happen. I want to thank you if you made this far in my thoughts. I’m a lover of knowledge and research, please e-mail me if you have any interesting info on any subject possible. Anubisone2012@gmail.com
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LadyHeatherBug Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 6:19 AM
As a lover of knowledge and research it would do you some good to do a simple spell check on your comments. Also, its not “Maybe the Maya new* how to tap in to that kenetic energy…..” but “Maybe the Maya *knew how to tap into that kinetic energy….” Im won’t go into a detailed proofing.
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Rather interesting show, eh ?!
I believe that each of you is correct.
As a professional treasure hunter and salvage expert each of you are correct from today’s virtues. I believe that the boat adventure was used to illustrate the journey that the Maya travelers could have taken to arrive at the island. Either by canoeing and or sailing 400 miles. Ever canoe or sail 400 nautical miles?
One of the bloggers did correctly point out a village and newly established air strip which was not addressed.
Are the people of this village of Mayan decent, and if not when did they come to arrive? After the event of the Maya creation of the stone sculpture? If so is this relevant to the story line? I agree…why was this information not included in the show?
If this was the case, then maybe the village and the additional services were deleted from the available information with regard to the Maya establishment due to their lack of merit to the Maya time island life.
I agree about the mode of travel and do believe that I would have taken a much more advanced method of travel to include a helicopter from say a companies 100 ton research treasure vessel. However, this would have not demonstrated the level of difficulty the Mayan had to overcome in achieving the mountain top and construct the artifact.
How did the Maya actually come to this island for the construction of the artifact? This riddle was not clearly addressed…and I believe that each of your beefs in this regard is very legitimate.
I believe that there should have been more time devoted to the island artifact and its physical construction and the possible availability of the aforementioned tomb which must be devoted to a later show.
I also wonder if there are any sea caves accessible and if there is any tunnel for shelter for the Maya who did construct the artifact.
One thing to keep in mind for these shows though is budget and point of sale. I am currently creating a series of 13 adventure programs for the networks on a shoe string budget to the lack of available funding from the said programmers and do understand your input. One question I have though is why haven’t the use of more modern exploratory devises been used to evaluate the area. I believe several of you did speak of Google earth, but left out the top secret US radiometric survey of the earth by the first GB administration using a space shuttle and some of the NASA remote sensing information available for the Latin location with regard to the Maya.
Hey by the way…if you would like to join in and help fund a few trips to uncover lost Spanish galleons, underwater caves off Sanibel Island Florida, lost Nazi ships and U-boats, a few unexplored Maya or Inca ruins, or hang out at say something like Ice Station Zebra with us during the creation of our new video series please contact EP Wright at Submersionex@yahoo.com or come by the Sanibel Island Florida Farmer’s Market and look up the Salsa Booth during the Snow Bird Season…..
One last thought, has anyone at this site taken the time to check the telemetry of this Maya artifact site with relation to Maya sites, the Great Pyramids, the Templar sites throughout the European theater, Stone Hedge, the Light House at Alexandria, the sand telemetry maps of the Latin high altitudes with regard to symmetry or geographic relationships with regard to calculus? Oh, and how did the stone arrive or get carved in a short period of time a top the mountain? Where did the Maya camp, dine, and did they leave any tombs?
Cheers,
EPWright
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furious george Reply:
January 6th, 2010 at 6:37 PM
@EPWright, it’s simple… it’s all baloney. I spoke with Dr. Salz breifly in an email exchange and he indicated to me both his own skepticism about the “monument” and that the original production was tampered with and “sexed-up” by the network. I mean, really, you couldn’t tell for yourself that “the monument” was a natural lava outcrop? If you go to Jim Turner’s apocalypseisland.com website (which is an HTML disaster typical of this fare) you will see some photos where the “panther” actually looks like a panther… but it’s just coincidence. It’s how our minds work. We are built to see patterns and shapes in things. Like a fire-hydrant looks, to me, like a cute little face… but it isn’t, nor was it intended to.
And what is all this you’re talking about Ice Station Zebra… that was a movie.
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your 2012 mayan journey should end up around http://tr.im/JyWD but staying on coast may miss venus. may catch the solar & galactic eclipses.
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Your all gna die
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 8:01 PM
@Sun, Not me. I’m immortal.
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I must admit that I enjoyed Salz’s comment about finding a windmill or a Mayan monument. And did anyone else notice the camera shots from some other random boat while coming to the island?
Apparently if History Channel sent their own equipment down, why couldn’t they let those two characters tag along? And I wonder what fellow boaters are calling the Tio Tomas crew now?
And Furious George, all I can say is that I agree with you 110% regarding Turner’s Web site; I could have done something better than that when I started Web design ten years ago! (I must say that Web Site Tonight is a horrible program.)
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If it is a mayan monument for the winter soltice 2012 and the birth of a new age, I would move all my people and our homes to that location to make sacrifices and welcome the new age along with the returning of the gods. Where did the Maya go? Most likely to the bottom of the Pacific on their way to their new home. Most likely because the stars told them to go there and they listened. As the entire civilization is making their move across the pacific, a huge storm brews, knocking over their canoes and sinking them to the bottom of the ocean. My opinion? Look on the ocean floor for the Maya. After all, that is where Atlantis and El Dorado are.
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 8:09 PM
@Johnny, A civilization isn’t going to stay concentrated when food becomes scarce. The Maya dispersed into the forests after their city centers over-farmed the land. Maya still live in Central America.
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Can you guys see it … The Mayan are playing a Joke on us.
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I don’t know what exactly is going to happen in 2012, yet, but I for one have a sense of urgency watching the news today, and I hope we are all prepared; for the prophecies of multiple cultures and beliefs appear to be happening before our very eyes. With that, I pray that you and I are all prepared, physically, and more importantly, mentally; for when The Prophecy is revealed and we make our ultimate decision on whether or not to believe what is shown to us, only then will we truly live or die.
Mr. Sun, Sun, Mr. Golden Sun … Your post is the only post that I’m positive is 100% accurate! The big question after that is simply, will we choose to rise?
Be Prepared!
Peace.
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Good ?
How did he get there the First time?1996?
Maybe the Mayans sunk in the ocean on the return trip.
Thats another story.
HAPPY NEW YEAR for the last week its been DOOM and GLOOM.
Now they find out the Effects of anti-psychotics dont work 75% of the time.
Nice Sun Set/Moon Rise
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The day of the skeptics is near. My message is “Prepare yourselves for something so huge that everyone will see all around the world.” There is something bigger than us “Humans” and for does that claim the opposite are just fools.
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 8:13 PM
@Iris Toro, Idiots have been saying crap like that for thousands of years. Every generation is full of fools who think they are the last. Every generation is wrong.
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Jim “The Apocalyologist” Turner has perpetrated a terrible fraud upon us in collusion with the History Channel. This is indeed a new low for the History Channel — trying to pass off the tourist destination of Alexander Selkirk Island (Robinson Crusoe Island) as a hard to reach Mayan island, and a random volcanic outcropping as a Mayan sculpture. Shame on you, History Channel, shame on you Mr. Turner.
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Tsunamis would wipe out a lot of signs plus the people.
Researchers do your stuff ! When and if a recorded Big Tsunamis happened in SA. Check Japan 650-700 A D.
ITS true Looked on Google earth Juan Fernandez Islands
and saw the Jaugar Paw SE corner of Island and upside down Monkey(Man)
Believe in somethig even if is in Nothihg
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The Island is to far away from the Mayans dominions, it was a good program, but absurd to think for the Mayans traveling al the way to South America off the coast of Chile to build said monument.
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It llooks like Easter Island to Apocalypse Island marks the southern edge of the Nazca Tectonc Plate! See my website article “A Blueprint for a New Age”. Send me an Email with Jim’s address. Eureeka! Rober Berringer
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NASA has a website that shows the path of solar eclipses on the surface of the Earth, including the total eclipse on Nov 13th, 2012.
They also have a nice feature that allows you to get eclipse info for specific latitude and longitude.
Robinson Crusoe Island (33.633S,78.85W) will not even be in the path of totality.
Someone on that island will only see a partial eclipse that will set in the west before it is complete.
There are several islands in the area that will have better views of the eclipse.
So, the claim that this island is the only place to view the eclipse is completely false.
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As an avid mountain backpacker with many a mile wearing down the soles of my boots, I must howl with laughter over the primitive, uninhabited area where they hiked to the monument. In more than one camera shot those two experienced anthropological explorers were clearly hiking down a well worn foot path trail. Sheesh.
All you nay sayers out there can pin a Congressional Medal of Idiocy on my lapel for I freely admit I actually watched that production. Shame on me.
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Wish I had read your blogs before wasting my time watching this lame production. Where’d they get the tools to carve the statues? Turner never explained what they used. Oh yeah, they loaded up the old canoe with hammers and chizles taking the place of precious food and water and rowed 400 miles across dangerous seas since they didn’t have any place back home good enough to watch a total eclipse, the galactic alignment or Venus crossing the face of the sun. Perhaps they just used their hands since the rock was so soft.
Maybe the Maya learned to harnes the power of the wind and sea to carve out the Mayan “king” and his “panther.” That would explain the bluriness of the features. They must have traveled to the Grand Canyon and tried to convince the Navajo that they were responsible for creating similar monoliths found in abundance and forgot to sign their work with any hint of a carved images.
But I wonder why they used such fine materials for their pyramids which have lasted thousands of years and then decided to take a boat trip to an obscure island and carve a monument out of crumbling rock next to the ocean where erosion from seasalt and wind is at its best? I never could make out the “panther” and I had to use all of my extraordinary powers of imagination and self delusion to make out the image of a face looking out to see. I could almost see a heavy brow with deep set eyes and an eroded nose over a weak chin that blended into a neck. But you should see the wonderful images I can find in clouds and while staring into a campfire.
I’ve been to the island of Coszumel where our guide, who claimed to have Mayan blood mixed in his heritage as he passed out some Mayan beer, impressed us by the fact that the Mayans built structures to withstand hurricanes on an island where many modern structures were could not. You could see and feel the strength of the stone as you walked among the buildings. Even the prints of their hands seen in blue paint were still visible. Maybe this wasn’t the king Turner thought it was. Maybe this king riegned over a branch of Mayans who struggled with geology 101 and couldn’t tell the difference between granite and basalt.
It was a good thing I was lucky enough not to waste the entire two hours as I enjoyed the playoff game between the Cowboys and Eagles. Congrats Dallas on your 34-14 win! And to all of you who wasted the same two hours and then found yourself wasting even more time reading these blogs, I am truly sorry for adding this entry to waste more of your valuable time before 2012 gets us all.
P.S. My son is pretty bummed as he was born on Dec. 22 so he will miss his 18th birthday when the Mayan calendar runs out on 12-21-2012. Maybe then, we’ll find out where the Maya went by joining them.
Let’s not forget how computers everywhere stopped working and the world was thrown into utter caos resulting in our destruction last decade due to the Y2K computer glitch. Oops, my bad. We’re still here and my computer then and all since are working fine.
Rick
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Absolute 100%, unadulterated GAHRRR-BAHJJJ. The worst Drivel that I have ever witnessed in my entire life. This self-promoting Turner-Clown should be thrown off of his “Monument”, and sacrificed to the “Gods of The Eternal Bonehead” for his own good. This idiot either has a belief system equal to that of a first-grader — or he is just a brazen self-promoter. I lean towards the latter — mainly because of the fact that he and his boyfriend could barely keep a “Straight” Face during the final scene. What a Joke!!!
The absolute worst show that The History Channel has ever aired. Check that — the absolute worst show that I have ever seen, Period.
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I’m so glad so see all of you calling B.S. on this colosal waste of time. I too just wasted 2 hours watching this utter garbage. Sometimes when watching this History Channel crap you get the feeling that the world is simply filled with idiots. Its nice to see everybody calling History Channel out on this.
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I was quite interested about the program until I heard something like “the island is virtually or mostly uninhabited”. or something to that effect. The island is either uninhabited or it is inhabited so I started researching right away and came across this site. I find the island is inhabited and it has an airstrip and a healthy civilized population with hotel.
After watching further and seeing the monument I thought it looked more like the Loch Ness monster than anything else. Hmmm I wonder if there is a connection between the Nellie and the Mayans. Sounds like the basis of a new series. The camera angles above both the “explorers” climbing up the spire suggest the camera man must have hired a helicopter to drop him there to take those spectacular shots.
It does look like a great place to visit though. I wonder if they serve a complimentary continental breakfast at the hotel.
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This one is for Jim. I have been dreaming about that “island” for years. I know WHY the monument was built I just did not know where unti I saw your documentary on History. They did not build the monument to “see” the end of the world. The King built it because the top of that monument is the ONLY place on earth that will not be covered by water if humans choose to end their own existence ( did i spell that right I do not think so). The monument is to give the choosen a place of safety if that should come to pass.
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Barry D Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 7:31 AM
@Patricia Mary McHatton,
Hello ? This is a hoax …..jeeeez ! The island is inhabited and has an airport.
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Mike Nassau Reply:
June 27th, 2010 at 4:29 AM
@Barry D,
Isla Alejandro Selkirk is uninhabited. There was a penal colony there from 1909-1930, houses and a usable boat slip still exist, but no one lives there permanently. Isla Robinson Crusoe, 112 miles away, has a small town (San Juan Bautista) and an airport. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Selkirk_Island The “monument” is on uninhabited Alejandro Selkirk, but anyone going there for real (not show) will fly to Robinson Crusoe and take a boat from there to the abandoned penal colony and step onto a dry pier without the melodramatic beach landing.
The camera crew did not seem to suffer the same difficulties as the two “explorers”.
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 8:38 PM
@Patricia Mary McHatton, Hate to burst your bubble but if there were to be a global flood that place would not be a lone dry spot. While it has a lot of altitude for a small island, there are vast areas all over the globe that would be above water after that island is a mile under it. You need to pay less attention to your crazy dreams and more attention to reality. Jim Turner needs to do the same.
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ps: You have the date wrong. If it should come to pass it would happen during summer time.
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pss: the REASON he would build it even though he would know that the entire world would be covered with water is that he also knew that after a short period of time the water would receed and that the people on the monument would survive and life would survive. Because either way “World without end Amen”,
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Just un-freaking-believable. I can’t believe anyone – least of all the two participants (and the camera crew, which though unreferenced, obviously accompanied them) actually buys any of the drivel brought up in this highly-produced venture.
Here they are – thousands of miles away from any known Mayan ruins – and they spend days of sailing and hiking to reach the location of what, from all indications from what can actually be seen in the broadcast, is an entirely natural rock formation. And not even a particularly interesting one, really. But there they are, feigning exuberance and awe at the visage of this pile of rocks. Who’s kidding who?
You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Honestly…
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Sad think is all the fools that believe this crap.
They should make a law that if anyone was to commite a crime or hurt themselves for watching this stuff should be held accountable.
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I just saw the re-run last night, I must say it was a load of crap of legendary proportions. History channel has declined significantly in the quality of programing that they broadcast. I find myself watching my local PBS station more each day.
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I need to contact the History Channel to offer them first broadcast rights to my proposed project. In the 1960s, when I was a student, I stumbled upon what I am almost sure is an ancient monument documenting the Mayan culture’s influence on the native American indians in the Pacific Northwest of North America. On a hillside located in an uninhabited area of an isolated island in Puget Sound – which can be reached only by air or by boat (if you ignore the ferries and the bridge) – there is a rock which bears an uncanny resemblance to many rocks I have seen in Mexico. My plan is to rent an old salmon troller out of Port Angeles and travel along the hazardous Straits of Juan de Fuca and the notorious Rosario Strait to the shores of this island (which I will call “End of the World Island”), land on one of the few places suitable for a small boat landing, and then proceed overland to the site. This will all be filmed by a crew who will drive a van to the site from Seattle. They will need the van because of all the equipment necessary to support this 3-day expedition. Not to mention the huge packs carried by me and my companion (a beautiful young female archaeologist to be chosen later). During this trip my companion and I will be shown in humorous vignettes illustrating our incompetence at such adventuring skills as setting up a tent, preparing food, and climbing (where, despite carrying 25 pounds of technical climbing gear, I will not set one single piece of protection as I climb a 150-foot tall rock outcropping). The final scene in my video will show me and my beautiful archaeologist companion holding hands while gazing rapturously at the monomuent. Gee, I hope I get a ton of money for this.
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I can say as an archaeologist, that this program which I tivoed then watched, (and only then about fifteen minutes before I couldn’t watch anymore) was one of the worst attempts at convincing people that the 2012 end of the world scenario is going to take place, I haven’t been able to bring up and credentials on the two men involved yet, and I know many people in the field, I will try and get back to this particular posting if I find anything concrete out which is more than the history channel does these days but I will let everyone know as soon as possible.
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You guys can’t even get the islands right. There are four different ones in the Isla Juan Fernandez, and Crusoe and Selkirk are two different islands. So much for being academic. Also, it is not a stretch at all to see a face and a jaguar in the close up images. From afar it looks just like any somewhat interesting rock formation. Also, if you are going to critique the program as absolute rubbish, at least have something intelligent to back your dismissal up with instead of the same from armchair preaching to the choir nonsense.
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 8:51 PM
@Holly, Any faces or animals you think you see are as real as Jesus on toast or puppies in the clouds. It’s all in your head. The onus of proof is on those making the claim and there was not a single shred of scientific proof supporting what was presented in this ridiculous program. Intentionally or not, it’s a hoax. Everyone here that agrees with that is expressing some degree of intelligence. Those like you who believing in this hogwash without any evidence are the ones displaying a lack of proper critical thinking.
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Dudes!! … Don’t be cry babies about the Apocalypse Island program not showing what you expected… well, I didn’t see the monolith or monument that I was expecting to be neither.. but guess what? … It was more entertaining than Avatar, to me it’s not waste ot time… 2 hours of better entertainment than most of the movies or musical concerts out there… Check this Pic http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/5238956.jpg
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Does anyone recall the name of the Mayan civilization that was in North America near or around current day Ohio? It was a city of 100,000. Named Chiacoa or something along those lines. Was curious to see if there’s anything on the net about this city.
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Adam Reply:
May 3rd, 2010 at 1:33 PM
@Melissa G,
It’s Cahokia. About 40 minutes east of St. Louis, 4 1/2 hours southwest of Chicago. Visited this past summer, climbed up to the top of Monk’s Mound. The city’s layout is very similar to Mayan cities. The people that work there are easily approachable and know their stuff. There is a rather large cultural museum there with films, artifacts, dioramas, etc. There are actually quite a few interesting places like Cahokia in the general region. There’s another one in, I think, Wickliffe Kentucky. I’m not completely sure if that’s correct. It’s been a long time since I was there. And some places in Ohio.
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After watching Apocalypse Island the other night , there were a few things that really bugged me about it . Aside from being a beautifully filmed ” documentary ” , with great scenary , it seemed to really stretch the archaological/anthropological imagination . the Mayan rightly deserve beyond a ton of credit for their many accomplishments . This show cheapens their amazing civilization, and makes a mockery of their ancient culture . Having earned an anthroplogy degree many moons ago ; I am now an x-ray tech , it irks me when these so called experts come up with fantastical things about ancient cultures such as the Maya or Ancient Egyptians . Postulating that aliens helped them build their great monuments , insinuating that these peoples could not come up with the means to create them on their own is just plain insulting . Lets keep science science , and folly folly . There are enough folks out there trying to disclaim science altogether . Scary thought . ” Documantaries ” like this do not do help the cause .I too was anticipating the unveiling of this great stone monolith , and when the moment came , it did not really impress me . If this show has been termed “dramatized” entertainment , but not a true science documentary , then no problem , a beautifully filmed , fun show to watch . Science documataries do not have to be dry and dull. There is some great stuff out there . Just keep to the facts and well studied theories . The ratings game seems to have really pushed some of the science/nature channels to the sensationalism gray area .
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The Mayan people never forgave the Conquistadors for ravaging their lands and culture. Further investigation will confirm that this site is a Mayan rendezvous point for contact with their friends the Stone Temple Pilots who have now returned. The aliens want more Earth gold, or they have threatened to blow up the planet. (Remember the urgency of Henry Paulson for those bail-outs.) Those “footpaths” on the mountains are from the tiny feet of 600 local Mayan descendents, carrying gold bricks each night by moonlight, two at a time, to stack in the belly of the mighty panther.
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LadyHeatherBug Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 6:43 AM
@goodhubby, LMAO!!!!! I love you.
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I forgot to add these links last time, but do take a look at what NASA says:
For the quick and dirty from CNN… http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2009/11/11/moos.world.wont.end.cnn
From NASA… http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers
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I agree that this show was a complete waste of 2 hrs and the worst thing I’ve ever seen on The History Channel – they’ve lost what respect I had for them. Now I will have to be really convinced something’s not crap before I risk wasting time with anything from HC again.
I should sue them for 2 hrs of my life, I want them back.
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” This show cheapens their amazing civilization, and makes a mockery of their ancient culture ”
“I agree that this show was a complete waste of 2 hrs and the worst thing I’ve ever seen on The History Channel ”
The world is full of complete idiots…
None of you can see past your own ignorance…
I’ll tell you what a waste of time is, trying to teach you people that the world, the universe, everything around you isn’t as simple as you make it. You have no clue what these people possessed with their knowledge. Do some actual, real research on this civilization and have a definitive point of view on the matter, rather than being disappointed that the ‘rock’ wasn’t still mind blowingly spactacular after centuries of weathering (which if you had paid attention to the show, and the location, weather is bad year round which amplifies the corrosion of the rock, which was also noted as already being unstable).
Go out and buy a book that contains the mayan codex, actually look this stuff up people, spend some time researching and learning first hand, not from someone’s opinion, or on tv, and I promise you, you will have no reason to ever doubt what they were.
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I had recorded the show so I just saw it the other day. My wife and I have been to many Mayan sites. I thought the show was very interesting. Many Mayan sites have been worn down by weather. The pile of rocks may just be a marker for an important planet location. Sometimes the journey is long and the rewards may not always be jumping out at you. The Island may be more important than meets the eye. We have not seen the movie many are talking about, maybe when it comes to TV. I hope to see more Mayan sites before I die.
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Barry D Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 7:29 AM
@Jeff Eddy,
Wake up , this show was a load of BS , the island is inhabited and has an airport.
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loved the show about the island.I wonder if the MAYANS, didnt have a 30 hour day,they certainly didnt need a leap year,Ive noticed a pattern of events in my own life, every 2 and a half days, or 60 hours, in a mayan day of 30 hours its every 75 hours or 300 hour for 5 days, 600 hours in ten days,1200 hours in twenty days and that was there month,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,right??? think about it, all so……the spanish that invaded there world in the time they did, were afraid of how smart they were not so much the sacrificing and all the blood, they were afraid of what they new that they did or could not understand,,,,,,,,,,,,,, nothing has changed,
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Barry D Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 7:29 AM
@vinnie costa,
Take off your tin foil hat dude !
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the issue about 2012 would definitely be a long debate, i dont like the movie but i love the effects, still nobody knows what will happen in the future, the bible already gave some clues but still no one can decipher the meaning of it. Mayan’s is one of the great culture on earth and they are really amazing when it comes to predictions and calculations. I would love to do more research and study on that culture and i hope someday i can go to these mysterious temple..
i also have an article about this…..
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This is either a banal serious attempt at documentary or a nearly perfect parody (I lean toward the latter). It is grimly fascinating trying to sort out which.
Regardless, I give huge credit to the team who created it: making money making a show like that is ‘good work if you can get it’. Well Done Indeed!
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this show was so bad i wanted to stab my pen!s.
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This Blog should be called “Cynics Corner”. I read more unsupported “cons” on this subject than supported “Pros” from Jim Turner. Most of the critics (if they deserve the title) on this blog spend more time giving their opinions about the quality of the TV production than the actual subject matter. Sure, this program was obviously low budget, but hey its time to take off your Avatar 3D Glasses and get back to reality. The economy sucks. This is science prediction, unlike science fiction. J. Verne I am sure, in his day experienced similar criticism, but look at how many of his visions came true. Many people laughed at the thought that we could go to the moon. Many people laughed at sailing around a flat world. Many people laughed at Galileo and even threaten to end his life if he didn’t give up the idea that the earth revolved around the sun. My point is that you have to think out of the box on this one. Check this out: 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl
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i watched this with an especially open mind if you catch my drift and must say it is intriguing to believe it could be what it purports to be if you can adjust your frame of reference to encompass all potential realities in order to assimilate that there are very likely innumerable ones many of which seem to intrude on our existences in this one (however you might define that) and that it may be possible to eventually some time categorize them properly by naming them with derivative names from The One Name which is before in and after them all.
may it be so.
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LadyHeatherBug Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 6:47 AM
@bill, nice sentence
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Well, no matter WHAT happens on Dec. 21, 2012, one thing we all should keep in mind is this: There were ancient civilizations whose teachings, architecture and knowledge far outshine anything we have today.
(Especially architecture).
One thing they ALL have in common is the belief in GOD and they all agree that one day, their God will return.
WHY WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO GET RIGHT WITH GOD?
Not that I am, or ever have been, a religious fanatic. But seriously, why wait until it’s too late to try to be a better person and TRY to understand what it is that our predecessors were trying to tell us about God and nature, etc.?
There are so many ancient civilizations who have come to the same conclusion about 2012 that one must at least try to put SOME thought into it.
Even so, don’t wait for a disaster to HAPPEN before you try to prepare!!!
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 9:26 PM
@Christine, You are a hysterical ninny. Modern advancements are not outshone by ancient ones. The Egyptian pyramids, for example, are impressive, for their time, but there are many modern structures that are taller, wider, more complex. Aesthetics get the short shrift frequently these days, but there are still beautiful wonders being built. It’s okay to be fascinated with the past, but don’t forget that we have built upon and improved it and will continue to do so.
God? That’s a myth, sweetie. Completely unsupported by any evidence whatsoever. Believing in it is childish and illogical.
“There are so many ancient civilizations who have come to the same conclusion about 2012″ Really? Name one that made any specific predictions. For that matter, name more than one that even marks 2012 with any particular import at all.
Stop panicking and get some perspective. Preparing for a flood when you live in a river valley makes sense. Getting hyper and ranting about some imaginary prediction of an imaginary global disaster is psychotic.
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Look, I´m chilean and I have been in Juan Fernandez island, the THC presented an inhabitied island, tha fact is that is a population of 650 and an airport on the western side of the island. In the hole history of chilean archaeologist have found a Maya site in the pacific. very poor program
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Veritas Reply:
March 9th, 2010 at 9:37 AM
@Daniel, Es la isla Alejandro Selkirk sin poblado
Ver foto de supuesta escultura : http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5238956
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Daniel Reply:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:06 AM
@Veritas, Ok Veritas… revise la foto… no me parece nada mas que una formación rocosa natural. Conociendo a los Mayas, grandes arquitectos y excepcionales constructores de templos y caminos… no crees que si elijieron construir un monumento tan importante en una isla tan remota… no lo hubieran hecho de tal manera que perdurara!!!!!… I realy think that this Jim has had to many martinis!!!… cheers!!
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yes, the re-run for latin america was today (11pm to 1am) on the history channel.
I’m a beliver and waiting for the results of the future full-scale project…
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I saw the program last night too, and I wondered the same things many others already did. If the place is so remote and difficult to access, then how the hell the cameramen managed to follow?? they even were better rock-climbers than the professional one that accompanied Mr. Turner. They were up there when he got to the top
That’s really funny.
And the rocks … well, you must have an impressive imagination to see all those things there. Something that seems too weird if the fact that ancient Mayans didn’t sculpt 3-dimensional images, all of Mayan stonework depicting people, gods and animals are flat, 2-dimensional, called stellae. The only 3d carvings they used were to ornate buildings, at the tops mostly and at the stairs sometimes.
But nevertheless, there must be something we’re missing about our past as the human race we are, something the scientific establishment for some reason(s) insist in denying.
Only time will tell. Good luck to everyone, wherever you are, whatever you believe.
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Jim I would like to show you somthing,I know! it will intrest you,#1-208-879-2150 not much time !!!
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I am currently watching the rerun of Apocalypse Island on the History Channel for Latin America.
The Maya have been extolled as extraordinary astronomers and mathematicians, especially where Venus was concerned. Unfortunately they were also extremely violent and spent most of their time engaged in wars. The mystery of their sudden disappearance might have been due to their war efforts, a very long drought, and the destruction of every tree in the vicinity of their grand temples and pyramids. We will probably never know.
However, the most important lesson might be that we should not repeat the series of mistakes that wiped them out. Anyone can predict the end of the world, anyone can interpret others’ predictions any way they like. All I see is the speedy degeneration of everything that is associated with being human. Prudence, respect, compassion, understanding, unselfishness, spirituality, altruism, honesty, etc.
2012 is most probably humankind’s dividing point. We either continue destroying ourselves completely or we clean up our act.
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How about getting the time back from all the griping from you people?
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I can see how little imagination most people have, it’s easy to sit at home and criticize what we don’t understand, instead of making the effort and VERIFY information. I thought the Apocalipse Island piece was Imaginative and very Curious. Everyone has a right to investigate the misteries of the world, if you have better answers, Get Out There, Investigate, Get Evidence and Report. Of course the ONLY way we will know about the 2012 presumed end of time is to WAIT, it’s not long in the Future…
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too pretty your a gullable jackass that was piece of rock
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In looking at google earth The only thing I’ve found so far is not Robinson Crusoe island but rather a little farther west. Check out the southwest shore of Alexander Selkirk Island. You can spot the rock formation if you zoom in. What a croc of BS. Perhaps they had already spent so much money before arriving at the island that these guys tried (and got away with) burning the History Channel to recover their expenses. Using Google Earth see 33″ 47′ 02 S 80″ 49′ 00 24″ W
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Barry D Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 7:27 AM
@denny,
Nope , it’s Robinson Crusoe Island according to Jim’s map . But who can trust Jim with the load of baloney he is pushing ?
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This documentary came across like a bait and switch practical joke. Build up interest with some facts and tons of special effects, then drag on to a finale that insults the intelligence of any educated individual.
This is basically reality TV masquerading as scientific documentary. Shame on the producers and the History channel. It’s crap like this that is turning the minds of people today into mush.
Pseudo science? Misinformation? Disinformation? Whatever you call it, it does a disservice to the pursuit of true knowledge.
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I knew straight away that something about this was fishy when the two ‘explorers’ found a boat that was conveniently ‘headed to the islands in question’. Look around, there’s nothing around but those islands for hundreds of miles. Where was the boat originally headed? Deep sea fishing? I never say anyone fishing while on the journey.
I bet the crew of the boat spent their days in the hotel only miles from where these two idiots supossedly camped.
I absolutely love The History Channel. Been watching for years, but I cannot believe they would actually try to pass this off as a legimitate archeological ‘fact-finding’ expedition.
As for Jim Turner…I think the quality of his website speaks volumes. It reminds me of my step-fathers’ site with supposed photos of ‘orbs and supernatural spirits’ captured with digital cameras. Both are delusions af grandure.
Shame on ME for actually thinking I might learn something of interest.
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I recently watched the showed about “Apocolypse Island” This was on the history channel. I was very interested to find out about this discovery that Jim Turner made. The show did not get in to any further information that has been obtained since Jim Turner and his guide were last there.
My questions are “Has Jim started an expedition yet of this monument and its surroundings since the show was filmed? “Have there been any other discoveries in that area?”
If anyone has any information about this I would appreciate it.
Thanks you,
Susan McNeely
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Timeback: Mayan Apocalypse Island Location Found by Jim Turner http://su.pr/19bxag
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I am watching the History Channel right now about the Apocalypse Island. I added a link to this site to my squidoo page about the end of the world. The show is very interesting. Well done!
http://www.squidoo.com/seven_signs_of_the_apocalypse
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I did some extensive research of my own. If you watch/listen to the narrative in the beginning they say “sparcely populated” 1600 people, in fact. They say “10 day window of oppertunity” when in actuality there is an airstrip and year round flights to said island. they never show you the ground around the “artifact” its …ROCK! No digging or archeology needed, it’s …..ROCK. You know, as in millions of years old, never disturbed, nothing buried in….ROCK!
The guy spends over 1 1/2 hours of his documentary taking a 3 day fishing boat trip trying to convince veiwers he’s Indiana Jones on a perilous High seas adventure, when in fact, he could have taken a 2 1/2 hour flight over and…DROVE right up to the…ROCK! There’s a road…leading right up to the
O U T C R O P P I N G of….ROCK.
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agentHarley Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 8:33 AM
@pat, dude, you made me laugh so hard!
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I think it is sad that people try to continue this myth when someone has already gone to one of the Mayan experts and he said that the whole theory is untrue.
It is amazing that so many people refuse to see real truths, yet they will cling to the washing grains of sand that continue to wash up on the beach of their lives.
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Well it’s idiocy was at least a slightly entertaining……..I think I would have rather watched Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus.
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wHAT A WASTE OF TIME………..a FRIGGIN ROCK NOT A CARVING.
go TO MERIDA AND FROM THERE YOU CAN SEE THE REAL THING IN MOST ANY DIRECTION YOU TRAVEL IN.
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This show was a load of baloney . The island is inhabited and has a small airport …..I did not see a Mayan carving but a rock formation ……what crap !
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Anyone know how I can reach Jim Turner?
I think he should talk to me!
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agentHarley Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 8:34 AM
@Tony, right here baby:
http://www.apocalypseisland.com/James_Turner_bio.html
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Well, it’s good to see that I wasn’t the only one who thought this show was crap. There was not one single bit of information that I hadn’t already read about in one of Graham Hancock’s books. What was up with only being able to see the astronomical formations from this island? I’m glad someone looked that up because that made absolutely no sense. The eclipse, maybe; but the Venus alignment? It’s only passing by and not fully eclipsing it, how can it not be visible from somewhere else.
I tried looking up Jim Turner’s credentials. Nothing comes up at all. At least when I Google Graham Hancock there’s a bunch of information on him; whether you subscribe to his stuff or not. This Turner guy is not only a quack, he’s a fake. He probably never even heard of 2012 until 2 years ago.
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Some interesting ideas here and EPWright nice touch on answering some good questions some people had. At the need of the day some may believe or may not. We need to take the facts we know from different people to sort things out. Some time ago the genius’s of the world thought the world was flat, man wasn’t meant to fly nor would they and we never would go to the moon. Look at we have done in 50 years or more. We now sail around the world and oh yes we can even fly around the world. We went to the moon and even have a space station. Funny thing people seem to forget what people can do when they have a purpose and belief. So we know there is no way the could have sailed to a island and craved a statue out of stone? The sphinx was buried under a mountain of sand and had sea shell around it. They think they know when and how it was made but funny thing they thought that before. Point being history is always being rewritten as we find out new things. So do we throw out the baby with the bath water, just because a idea or theory was presented in a bad way. Do we not entertain the idea or theory? That’s right the earth is flat I forgot. EPWright I just might want to head out to find some treasure long as we don’t fall of the end of the world. lol Anyway off to work I go you all have a good day.
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Watched a repeat of the show with great interest last night. Shameful manipulation by History Channel. Over and over and over the same facts … only to offer a sham at the end. All the drama of ocean crossing. That was terrible. I endured the phrase “transit of venus” at least 30 times. In the end, it was a crumbling rock formation. Mayans were block and mortar builders. They wouldn’t have wasted their time carving into crumbling rock. In geological terms, if it was crumbly in 2010, it was crumbly in 1000 AD. Again, shame on you History!
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I saw it last night as well but only caught the last hour. I see why they waited till the very end to show the ‘MONUMENT’ it was a stretch to picture the jaguar behind the head. He did make one statement regarding a double solar eclipse in the year 700 or so and that they criss crossed each other in the location of the island. Is there any proof of that? Not sure why they took the boat to the island other than to fluff it up a bit. There must not be anything there to warrant a dig site otherwise they would have something more tangible to offer. Turner is just looking for investors to fund his dream.
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Were there no archaeological sites on the island to investigate? I would have liked to have learned more about that instead.
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I saw this show last night and I thought it was GREAT! I see most here don’t see it the way I did. I have been to various MAYAN sites such as UXMAL, PALENQUE and SAN GERVASIO ruins on Cozumel. I have also seen some pyramids around TABASCO that were still covered with foilage, not even looked into yet. I also have a framed up piece of art work of CHALAN BALUN, the son of PACAL, and I also have one of those Mayan calanders right here by my computer I picked up in Palenque. I think Palenque is far the most impressive site. I took interest in the Mayans by reading quite a bit about it and found that Turner seems quite knowledgeable in alot of Mayan culture through experience in his travels and studies. I felt he was quite accurate about how Colombus discovered vessels carrying cargo and plenty of Mayans that were involved in quite extensive trade routes taking them to far off places. I have also visited MACHU PICCU recently back in August, that too was very impressive and very beautiful.
I am not certain about the Apocalypse coming in 2012, not much a believer that the world will end, but rather, I believe that may have something more to do with the end of the MAYAN world. Remember that in the AZTEC calender, the world was destroyed 4 times and up to the arrival of the conquistadores, they were into their final fifth phase of the end of the world when finally, the Aztecs succumbed to death mostly from disease brought on by the Spanish. Therefore, conquored and the end of their world. The Mayans closely resembled alot of their ancients such as the Toltecs, the ancient people of Teotihuacan and other cultures in pre-colombian, mesoamerica. They performed human sacrafices, had ball courts and took alot of their ancient ways on up to the arrival of the Spanish conquistadores. I have also travelled by ship because I worked out at sea for 5 years, mostly out in the Pacific. Islands like Saipan and Guam have LATTE STONES, which were megalithic stones, a precursor to what spread later out in Easter Island and other parts of the Pacific. So before I would shoot down these two guys for their show, I thought that the rocks could well resemble Mayan stones. I could see the Jaguar rock looked man made to me. The one they climbed was obviously erroded. There is a rock on Saipan called OLD MAN OF THE SEA that looks like the face of a person without a doubt, but this rock is believed to have been carved by wind and rain. You should do some research of this. I have personally seen this along with the LATTE STONE quarry in ROTA CNMI, a few miles down the island chain of Saipan, and next island north of GUAM. I too would like to chat with Turner about his trip to the island. I did send him an email. It was on his http://www.apocalypseisland.com web site along with a contact email address. I thought this was a great show particularily after having been around these sites and at sea too. I was totally surprised that the Mayan may have made it that far south near Chile in the Pacific. You have to be a little naive to think Columbus discovered America. Seafarers had been travelling the world way before 1492 and its not realistic to think that the Mayans were not capable enough to find their way around to some areas far from their home in the Yucatan or central american areas. Maybe some of the island seafarers stumbled into Mexico at various times and interbreeded with the population. Some stones dug up in Mexico reveal CHINESE figurines way before Colombus came to the new world. Perhaps if some of you got out of the USA from time to time, and saw some sites or learned a little about human movement throughout the ancient world up to modern times you would not be so biased against this show.
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Christopher Hutchinson Reply:
April 4th, 2010 at 10:01 AM
@Chalan Balun, You seem to know alot about this whole 2012 thing. I am a 33 yr old recovering Brain Injury Survivor (April 15(tax day), 1999…. My B-day is Dec. 23, 1976…. puts my 3 6’s bday pretty close doesnt it? The really funny thing is my State Champion Daughter will be unlucky 13 on, You guessed it DEC 21, 2012…… The middle of January I came up with a very interesting idea I am trying to implement in to my personal business (a 10 yr old lawn service) I had this vision on one of my 30 acre cuts that i do… I got to thinking about it, checked its legality in my state, and realized i was on to something big…. Is this one of the prophecies that i heard about just days AFTER the idea came to me? If you really think long and hard about what i am offering you will see, it will be global change, I already have a line of people waiting to sign on. And all i have to do is put up my CC link! Maybe im a brain injured fool, but i think this will change the world, Once it goes more public…… What do you think? any one else with a comment please add, this is overwhelming to me…. Maybe ive really gone off the deep end, but i have already begun construction on a small ocean going vessel, and as soon as the growing season slows down, Im on my way!! Gotta make sure everythings right, only a few years left……
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Pat Reply:
June 27th, 2010 at 5:14 PM
@Chalan Balun, I have wonderful for you! You can travel to this site, too! But wait, no stinky fishing boat either! No ship captain going “Bwana no get off, island cursed”, “kong, kong”, nope the 1600 residents will be happy to show you the exact outcropping of rock!
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My question is, if this is true, how did the Mayans from Central America get there?
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The Mayans got around on ocean going vessels build from a solid tree cut out like a dug out canoes. (As witnessed by Colombus during one of his voyages along the Central American coast off of Honduras.) HUGE trees made huge canoes. And there are huge trees in the jungle in Central America believe me. If you check and see how all the islands in the Pacific got inhabited, National Geographic has ran several articles in the past on the SEAFARERS of Micronesia, Polynesia, Melanesia. They sailed the seas utilizing the stars for navigation and sea currents. It’s amazing how they did it but they sure did. I don’t know how the Mayans may have stumbled into the Robinson Crusoe islands or JUAN FERNANDEZ islands off the coast of Chile some 400 nautical miles west, but a good guess would be that since they had knowledge of the South American coast and knew about the Inca empire, somebody must have told them about the islands while in the vicinity during trading. The Mayans might have been pretty good seafarers and not enough is given them credit for it probably due to their extensive pyramid building overshadowing it. The Mayans had access to the Pacific coast too in El Salvador and Guatemala, and Honduras. Their realm covered the Central American isthmus from the Yucatan of Mexico south into Chiapas, Tabasco regions and El Salvador, Guatemala and the most famous of villages of COPAN in Honduras, so they traded definately off to sea. This story of Apocalypse Island is not far fetched at all. It makes alot of sense. Now, the part about the end of the world is not understood much by us, but I think it has more to do with the end of their world as THEY know it. (Or the beginning of something new after the Venus, Sun alignment thing.) What remains to be known is if they can successfully pull off an archeological dig on that island, there must be some relics left behind because if the Mayans did build those monuments there on the top of the hill, it must have taken lots of man power and labor to pull this off. There must be some relics or proof of Mayan occupation during this buildup. I am more interested in the “how” of the building the “how” of the man power, and how and what they did to survive on the island than what possible secrets there may or may not be regarding the apocalypse of 2012.
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I recall reading that when BALBOA discovered the Pacific Ocean while in Panama, he talked to alot of the natives that told him about a kingdom further south that had lots of riches and gold. They were talking about the INCA empire. So how would people in Central America know this? Word gets around in the jungle pretty fast doesn’t it? Or was it by way of the sea? I think inter-travel between tribes, some as far as COHOKIA in present day ST. LOUIS by the Mayans was definately highly likely. The CARIBES were cannibals that were ravishing the Antilles islands group and on up into Cuba when Columbus made his trips there. The people on the Caribbean islands were horrified by these men that tavelled the ocean in canoes in war parties raiding and killing villagers, taking their women as prizes. These people came via the ORINCO RIVER in VENEZUELA from the jungles and paddled their way up the island chains. Check out the map of the Caribbean and you can see all the island groups that start off around Venezuela. Incidentally, the CARIBBEAN is taken from the CARIBES, which means in Spanish CANNIBALS. Becha didn’t know that one eh?
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Again, please check the Nasa map – showing the areas where the transit
will be visible.
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/transit/venus/Map2012-2.GIF
At best, the 2012 transit will be only marginally visible from the island.
Doesn’t make sense that Mayans would spend the time and trouble to go
there when they would have a much better view by staying home.
Although, maybe Turner thinks Mayans could also forecast a cloudy sky
in Mesoamerica at the time of the transit.
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Enlightened Reply:
May 5th, 2010 at 7:06 PM
@Evil Sluggo,
Sir, you are clearly blinded by your passion to disprove this.
1) The graph you link clearly states, “visible at sunset”.
2) The Transit of Venus is only one of three events that are critical to this island.
3) The two celestial events can be viewed from this island.
4) There is a terrestrial event critical to this island
“marginally visible”……is that like “kind of pregnant”
As with all things, when you step back and view the big picture, things clear up. When you focus on one minor detail, things get distorted.
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I only needed 5 minutes to realize that the show was a joke. It was this new class of fake documentary.
It was paprticulary hilarius the fake astronomers that said that the sun was going to go through the center of the galaxy!!
The only problem was that they should have said that at the end.
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soy de CHILE , murieron muchas persinas en juan fernadwz, tras el terremoto.
una nuerte estupida ya que tras horas de saber del terremoto en chile no se aviso de el maremoto que sacudiria la isla.
nose si tendra que ver con estas señales, pero si escribo aca es porque estaba en santiago de chile, cuando fue el terremoto, y esa noche escuche la historia de una joven que viajava a dicha isla, con su familia, y qu el barco la habia dejado abajo, osea en tierra, moentras tanto no entendia a que se referia su tia, y ella decia ,… y quedo en tierra y la trataron de subir al barco para ir a la isla como fuera.
y lo lograron
hasta hoy no la encuentran, se la llevo la ola gigante, o las olas o un derrumbe etc…
si escribo esto aqui.
no es porque quiero comunicar, sino que aun no dedusco estas señales,
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mm yo vivo en chile y desde este momento estoy juntando dinero para ir solo el 21 de diceimbre del 2012 a la isla de juan fernandez en este momento tengo 16 años el 2012 tendre18 años siempre e estudiado las teorias mayas y no me perdere ese momento y si ese es el fin del mundo me morire cumpliendo mi sueño ver el apocalipse en un lugar privilegiado
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agentHarley Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 8:42 AM
@nacho, translation: this person says he is from Chile and is going to saving money to be able to get to the island on 12/21/2012. he will be 18. he’s always read the Mayan “theories” and if it will be the apocalypse he is glad it will happen to him in a privileged spot.
If I were in Chile, I’d also be booking my ticket!
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@Chalam Balun like your post, cool info. For everyone who was paying attention to the “authenticity” of this documentary you were paying to attention to the wrong stuff and not seeing the forest for the trees. good luck! See you there!
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The end is coming,prepair yuor selves and others. not too much time left but enugh to collect info and materials, head for hier groundand secure a refuge things might ge crazy for along time but nature will survive somehow .learn to make fire ,to clean water,build shelter and to hunt .fish and grow food,save tools and seeds .hope for thebest and prepare for the worse.map the land the sea and the stars and learn to sail and navigate. dont forget animals ,fish and birds. keep these as joung as posible with their food of choice and in malefemale pairs.youll need tools and weapons that dont break ,fall apart or rust untill you can build new ones.hope to see you all after the storms.God bless.sincerily Ubutucareyboricua .<ubutu(mariner captain or tribe cazique)Carey(ismael)Boricua(native puerto rican).
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WELL TO ALL OUT THERE THE END OF THE WORLD IS NOT IN 2012 BUT THE BEGINNING OF ANOTHER WHERE HUMANITY’S VIEW WILL BE FOREVER ALTERED I HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO ALOT OF DIFFERENT RESEARCH ON MAYAN SUMERIAN THE BILDERBURG GROUP AND THE SEVEN THAT RUN IT THE CURRENT ECONOMIC SITUATION CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATIONS AND SEVERAL OTHER SUBJECTS AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH QUITE A FEW THEORIES ON THE SUBJECT OF 2012 AND AT HUMANITY’S FUTURE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK FUTHER ON ANY SUBJECTS RELATED E-MAIL ME
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 9:50 PM
@BAMF_MMA, You must have missed the memo that came out in 1998. “Caps Lock” is no longer considered cruise control for cool.
2012 will just be another year, pretty much like all the others. Nothing special. Really.
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Venus transits sun in June 2004 and we get a tsunami in December 2004. Venus again transits sun in June 2012 and perhaps bigger tsunami during december 2012. It makes you think. hansalive2007@yahoo.com
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This is DEFINITELY a case of wishful thinking by this amateur. I did NOT, COULD not, see the snail-jaguar or any other image in that pillar rock. I was quite disappointed. And he was saying that the ancients would climb up there 2 watch the ‘event’ since it was apparently the best place 2 witness this? What about the much taller cliff directly above this ‘monument’??? wouldn’t u see whatever was happening out there much better from the high cliffs??? I’m a Rapa Nui (Easter Island) enthusiast. This farce of a documentary, Apocolypse Island, just muddies up the entire field.
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soy de chile y es bueno que aparezca en un canal tan importante ademas que se acuerden que aca hubo un terremoto y tsunami que afecto mucho a la isla juan fernandez
yo soy de concepcion y si esto sirve para que vengan mas gringos a gastar plata me parece muy bien
para los que no saben la isla juan fernandez esta habitada
y es preciosa
si no les gusta el español traduscanla
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I found this program on the History about Apileofcrap Island. The program appeared to be produced by a six year old. The story was dubious at best. And if there is any truth to it, then why didn’t they get funding from someone to carry out a proper expedition to the San Fernandez Islands to check it out? History channel, you should know better than that!
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I’ve enjoyed all the comments on this page tremendously! Very funny people. Some a little retarded, but in general worth scrolling to the bottom.
I think the only takeaway from this show is that it stirs the debate about the meaning of the end of the calendar and the galactic alignment. There is value in raising awareness, even if the show itself is not worth much in terms of science or culture.
I also think that Turner is an odd guy, but he put up this one pic in his website that makes me think that this “monument” is not a Maya stone carving, but one that would have been found in Easter Island: http://photos.apocalypseisland.com/GalleryFilmstrip.aspx?gallery=296763
His website is: http://www.apocalypseisland.com/James_Turner_bio.html
And he’s not an archeologist — he’s an anthropologist that completed a thesis about the correlation between the Dresden Codex and the tomb stone of Lord Pacal. He doesn’t seem to have expertise in Maya sculpture.
And lastly, this is Salz’s website:
http://jeffsalz.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/156/#comments
This guy is also an anthropologist, and higher educated than Turner but not a specialist in Maya sculpture or even in their artifacts (he didn’t know anything about the Dresden Codex during the show). Salz does say in his website that the show was definitely “sexed up” and that it wasn’t the original script that he agreed to. He also says that he took a flight off the island! That’s funny.
In the end, rather than just rant and rant about the show here, I think people ought to just ponder the broader implications of what the Maya were alluding to in their scriptures and carvings about the POST 2012 era. Ask yourself, what would you do if you were showered with once-in-a-lifetime cosmic rays due to this alignment of astral bodies, no matter where on Earth you were to receive them?
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Itzamna Reply:
June 26th, 2010 at 9:45 PM
@agentHarley, “what would you do if you were showered with once-in-a-lifetime cosmic rays due to this alignment of astral bodies, no matter where on Earth you were to receive them?”
I’d become The Human Torch!
The only thing really alluded to by the Maya calendar is that, like all calendars, you start with a new one when the old one runs out.
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agentHarley Reply:
June 28th, 2010 at 3:44 AM
@Itzamna, I HOPE THAT WHEN THE END DATE HAPPENS, IF WE ARE SHOWERED WITH SOME AMAZING COSMIC RAYS, THAT I AM ABLE TO HAVE MY DNA ATTUNED TO THE FREQUENCIES I WAS MEANT TO HAVE, AND PERHAPS ADD EXTRA KEYS.
I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN ENERGY HEALING AND OTHER PARANORMAL PHENOMENON, BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXPERIENCE THIS PARANORMAL WORLD IN THIS MATERIAL WORLD, SO THAT ONCE AND FOR ALL THE MYSTERY IS EITHER PROVEN OR EXTINGUISHED.
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Mike Nassau Reply:
June 27th, 2010 at 4:59 AM
@agentHarley,
Thanks for the clarification and links. Earlier link to photo of “monument” identified it as located on Alejandro Selkirk Island, which is uninhabited, but this firmly places it on Robinson Crusoe Island, with the town of San Juan Bautista and the airport. What a crock of lies that makes the show. The map shows location not too far from the town.
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On Google earth I found that there is a picture of the monuments on Isla Alejandro, the picture icon is called Tres Torres…This Island is the next one out from the Isla Robinson Crusoe. The picture is taken like from the back side of the monument. I seen the show on History Channel last night 6/25/2010. There seems to be alot of staging going on while filming. I guess this is what it takes to make it interesting. I’m enjoying all your comments. Thanks
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BTW they rent “primative” mopeds for $10 a day with which on can drive right up to this super important discovery. Hey, while youre there could you bring a garbage bag? I’ll bet one could easily make $10, thus paying for the moped picking up beer cans left from all the other archaeologists! Thx
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The History Channel had a show on called, Armageddon — Apocalypse Island, about this find. My take on the finding as seen on the History Channel is a farce. First, these guys show that they have to row ashore, when on the other side of the island there is a community of about 600, and a dock. No wonder the skipper of the boat they charted thought they were stupid to have the deckhand row them to shore through the surf.
Yet another problem with this “2012 Apocalypse Island”, is neither the Venus Transit nor the solar eclipse will be seen in its entirety from this location. For a NASA map of the Venus Transit in June of 2012 go here: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/transit/venus/Map2012-2.GIF . And for the Solar Eclipse go here: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012Nov13Tgoogle.html . As you will see the transit of Venus will be in process at sunset, and the Islands sit too far South for it to be seen as a full eclipse.
Sorry to bust a bubble, but according to the NASA maps, it looks like Northern Australia is the best viewing for both occurrences and not Isle Juan Fernandez. Looks like the Mayans got it wrong this time….
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jbullfrog Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:53 PM
just as a side note, talking about australia one of the reasons for cpt cooks travels to the south pacific and the so called discovery of australia (the east coast anyways)was to view the transit of venus.
ps please dont encourage the good dr he he though i must admit it makes for good reading and contemplation cheers
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What a wonderful adventure~~!!!
Do you imagine the Mayan traveling in their canoes in the vast Pacific Ocean, following the stars and finding this magical remote island, where they could bury their treasure and leave it for modern people to find?
When you walk the silent trails and arrive at the summit where the sun god 150 feet tall rock and the crouching jaguar behind it are…it takes your breath away….
You are never the same…
We only have two more years to find out if the Mayan were correct in their predictions….
I am Chilean and I have been to the island as a young teen,
not only the island is magical, has its own magnetic spell, but when you sit at night under the brilliant stars, you understand why the Mayans chose this place..
They were getting away from the Spaniards who were killing their people and stealing their treasures and traveled far out into the sea, to hide their knowledge, so it could be found by a future peaceful generation ….I recomend to everyone to visit the island between November and February..and to lie down on the cool grass at night, looking at the stars.. in the silence of time…..
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Go to Turners website.
He is talking about a sequal and all negative postings have been remoned.
Yes, there are some idiots that really liked this POS.
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